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Yep. We will be fine. Between W bailing out the losers and all the other support we have, we'll be fine. We always are. :)

why don't you stop posting in this thread because you have already proven your self completely ignorant on economics of even the most basic level. go back and play with your dollies in your fantasy land and let the adults discuss things of importantence because it is clear you lack both the intelligence and the maturity to discuss anything more important the celbrity gossip
 
Er, if the lenders weren't stupid enough to give the morons with bad credit and no money down the loans to begin with, then we wouldn't be in this problem would we?

But remember congress said that the lenders were discriminating against those with bad credit and passed laws mandating that lenders had to give loans to those who couldn't afford a home, or they could be accused of Discrimination, and sued.

The law was called the Community Reinvestment Act. Passed in 1977, the CRA requires banks to meet the credit needs of their entire communities -- rich or poor, white or black. The law permits citizens to protest a bank's community lending record and win agreements for more loans.

The Clinton administration says more needs to be done. It is pushing for stronger CRA regulations. In the meantime, the Justice Department is taking the lead on fair lending. Two weeks ago, Justice joined a discrimination case against American Family Mutual Insurance Co. in Milwaukee. The insurer quickly agreed to settle. It will invest $ 14.5 million in the inner city. Says Deval Patrick, assistant attorney general for civil rights: "

CONGRESS:

Everyone says that mortgage brokers rip people off. No one asks why it is so easy to rip people off. Does anyone know why? Do you think it has anything to do with the mountain of paperwork everyone needs to sign? Isn't it easier to rip someone off when the important piece of information is buried in a pile of useless paperwork? Why is there so much paperwork? It is always a response to yet another piece of regulation. There is a document called the equal credit opportunity act disclosure. It says that the mortgage broker can't discriminate based on race, creed, etc. The funny thing is that is highly unlikely that the person getting the loan is being discriminated against. It is those that didn't get a loan that should be signing that, but instead it is a closing document. I can go on for hours listing the plethora of useless disclosures, however here is the bottom line. Almost every borrower merely signs everything without reading any of it. That means it is much easier for the unscrupulous to take advantage. This is not the doing of the mortgage broker, but the doing of Congress. It was Congress that created the mountain of regulations which banks covered with disclosures. ECOA was a response to one of many regulations handed down by Congress.

This is insidious because Congress wants to respond to this crisis with more regulations. Ultimately, that means YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED ENOUGH PAPERWORK YET.
 
But remember congress said that the lenders were discriminating against those with bad credit and passed laws mandating that lenders had to give loans to those who couldn't afford a home, or they could be accused of Discrimination, and sued.
That's the beauty of government intervention in the economy. Everytime they "fix" a problem, they create a new one. The solution? More government intervention!

It's like a junkie. Take an upper to wake up. Take a downer to go to sleep. Take another upper the next morning to help with the hangover from the downers. Then you'll need something for your upset stomach.......

Ultimately, you end up like Elvis, dead on the toilet.
 
That's the beauty of government intervention in the economy. Everytime they "fix" a problem, they create a new one. The solution? More government intervention!

It's like a junkie. Take an upper to wake up. Take a downer to go to sleep. Take another upper the next morning to help with the hangover from the downers. Then you'll need something for your upset stomach.......

Ultimately, you end up like Elvis, dead on the toilet.

yes but pure captillism get s 90% of the population screwed over
 
That's the beauty of government intervention in the economy. Everytime they "fix" a problem, they create a new one. The solution? More government intervention!

It's like a junkie. Take an upper to wake up. Take a downer to go to sleep. Take another upper the next morning to help with the hangover from the downers. Then you'll need something for your upset stomach.......

Ultimately, you end up like Elvis, dead on the toilet.
I thought the whole point of Keyneisian economics was to avoid more recessions.... :rolleyes:
 
Even MORE good economic news! Mortgage applications hit highest level in 2 years! :D

Mortgage applications have risen to the highest level since July 2005 for new purchases and refi's....
If true, this probably is like applications to get into college. I.e. as banks are being very tight with their loans now (and /FED just issued new rules under which they can be sued if they omit some facts, etc.) People need to borrow are behaving like students trying to get in to good university. - Using the shot-gun approach. - I.e. instead of just one application, They make a dozen.

The real facts relate to the rate of actual construction, supply of unsold homes, price changes, foreclosure rates, etc. Not something anyone can do at no cost, I.e. apply for a loan. Your calling this "more good news" is just more evidence that you do not understand what it means or what is happening.

About 95% of building permits are issued to building corporations. They are all in deep trouble, showing losses or going bankrupt. (Why build more homes when their is nearly a years supply of unsold homes already on the market and their price is dropping!) However, a few of these despirate corporation are probably trying to persuade the foolish that the "worst is over" by making applications for building permits in the area they work. Probably, if you search you may be able to find some local increase even in building permits. Then you can ignorantly post some more "good news."

Here is some reality:

"... U.S. home foreclosures rose 68 percent in November from a year earlier as adjustable-rate mortgages left subprime borrowers unable to meet higher payments, according to data compiled by RealtyTrac Inc....California, Florida and Ohio had the most filings and Nevada had the highest foreclosure rate. {data at end}

Interest rates increased on more than $87 billion of subprime mortgages in the third quarter, and another $84 billion will reset in the fourth quarter, according to New York-based analysts for Credit Suisse Group. Foreclosures may surge next year as payments rise on about 1 million home loans, Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing at RealtyTrac, said in an interview. ``I wouldn't be surprised if we're at the 230,000 to 250,000 level'' for monthly foreclosures in the first quarter, Sharga said.

Foreclosed properties are adding to the supply of unsold homes and deepening the U.S. housing recession. Existing home sales will fall 12 percent and home prices will drop 4.5 percent next year, according to Washington-based Fannie Mae, the biggest U.S. mortgage buyer. The inventory of unsold houses is at 11 months, an eight-year high.
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The Fed proposals ``could inadvertently cause a short-term problem because you'll end up with stringent loan standards that limit the opportunities for people who want to refinance,'' Sharga said.

California's 39,992 {foreclosure} filings in November were more than double its total from a year earlier and 21 percent fewer than in October, according to RealtyTrac. Florida had 29,238 filings, more than triple last year's total and down 3 percent from October.

Ohio had 16,308 filings, almost double the number a year ago and down 5.6 percent from October, said RealtyTrac, an Irvine, California-based seller of foreclosure information with a database of more than 1 million properties. ..."

From:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=az3LawfPTxCU&refer=home
 
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Discounting, for the moment, Sandy's stunning lack of compassion or understanding, the mortgage crisis means alot more than just some people not being able to keep their house...

Lack of compassion? For what? Losers who should have NEVER had big mortgages they KNEW they couldn't afford? F- them! :mad: They're going to get a free ride from the government (MY tax dollars!) bailout while RESPONSIBLE people live by their means. Why do you support enabling losers?

I understand perfectly well. I just don't buy into all the hype/fear/scare tactics. The economy/world issues have never affected me financially. ;)
 
I actually agree with Sandy. If you bail these people out, then the entire sector will have learned nothing. Gambling is based on having real consequences if you lose. If you take away the penalty for losing, then the whole thing falls apart.
 
Lack of compassion? For what? Losers who should have NEVER had big mortgages they KNEW they couldn't afford? F- them! :mad: They're going to get a free ride from the government (MY tax dollars!) bailout while RESPONSIBLE people live by their means. Why do you support enabling losers?

I understand perfectly well. I just don't buy into all the hype/fear/scare tactics. The economy/world issues have never affected me financially. ;)

For ANYONE! All you care about is yourself. You have proven that over and over. For you Christianity means you get to say the magic words and go to heaven. All the rest about helping the poor and less fortunate was too inconvenient, I guess. Your brand of religion is pure self-righteousness.

The individuals involved are only the tip of the iceberg, not that you care. Their failing mortgages have been bundled, traded and sold off. Their defaults are affecting the entire stock market. Not even the supposed bail out will really work. This is almost identical to situation before the great stock market crash of 1929. In that case, it was individuals buying stocks on credit (margin). Even if you just care about yourself, you should be worried.
 
For ANYONE! All you care about is yourself. You have proven that over and over. For you Christianity means you get to say the magic words and go to heaven. All the rest about helping the poor and less fortunate was too inconvenient, I guess. Your brand of religion is pure self-righteousness.
The individuals involved are only the tip of the iceberg, not that you care. Their failing mortgages have been bundled, traded and sold off. Their defaults are affecting the entire stock market. Not even the supposed bail out will really work. This is almost identical to situation before the great stock market crash of 1929. In that case, it was individuals buying stocks on credit (margin). Even if you just care about yourself, you should be worried.

Wrong. If all I cared about was myself I wouldn't be

-witnessing/getting people saved/churched so they don't burn in hell

-donating millions to charities

-working to keep people alive (even liberals)

-doing so much to educate people....

Helping the poor is one thing. Enabling them to stay in poverty (entitlements) is criminal. Look at LA and New Orleans. A cesspool full of entitlement mentality. Lift those people up, get them saved/churched/contributing members of society, and they would have a chance. Keep throwing millions of dollars of entitlements/welfare at them, they stay in the hell that is LA. :(

It's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY I keep preaching about. Blaming others is pathetic. :(
 
Wrong. If all I cared about was myself I wouldn't be

-witnessing/getting people saved/churched so they don't burn in hell

-donating millions to charities

-working to keep people alive (even liberals)

-doing so much to educate people....

Helping the poor is one thing. Enabling them to stay in poverty (entitlements) is criminal. Look at LA and New Orleans. A cesspool full of entitlement mentality. Lift those people up, get them saved/churched/contributing members of society, and they would have a chance. Keep throwing millions of dollars of entitlements/welfare at them, they stay in the hell that is LA. :(

It's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY I keep preaching about. Blaming others is pathetic. :(

educate people your pro-id
 
Wrong. If all I cared about was myself I wouldn't be

-witnessing/getting people saved/churched so they don't burn in hell
A lot of people don't believe you are helping them.

-donating millions to charities
The thought of you having millions cringe me...
If I had millions I wouldn't be wasting my time here. I would be travelling the world to places like Africa and working hard to help building self-sustainable communities there.

-working to keep people alive (even liberals)
How?

-doing so much to educate people....
Like what?

Helping the poor is one thing. Enabling them to stay in poverty (entitlements) is criminal. Look at LA and New Orleans. A cesspool full of entitlement mentality. Lift those people up, get them saved/churched/contributing members of society, and they would have a chance. Keep throwing millions of dollars of entitlements/welfare at them, they stay in the hell that is LA. :(
That's true.

It's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY I keep preaching about. Blaming others is pathetic. :(
I guess you are pathetic then. Don't you always blame the liberals?
 
Churching means nothing. How about some real compassion? How about understanding that the mortage crisis affects everyone?
 
And, sandy, how do you help people? Do you just throw money at random people or do you have an organized charitable organization?
 
Churching means nothing. How about some real compassion? How about understanding that the mortage crisis affects everyone?

Yes, the mortgage crisis affects everyone, because they are going to take my hard earned money and spend it on people who stuck their necks out, and lost, I am going to be made to pay for their mistakes, and stupidity, I keep my spending in control, I didn't buy a house that I couldn't afford, I didn't take a ARM, I waited till I could go conventional, and then found a house that I could afford the payments on.

Sorry I agree with Sandy, it was their own fault, they are suppose to be responsible adults, and make sure that they know what they are getting into, so why now should I be responsible for their screw ups?
 
Yes, the mortgage crisis affects everyone, because they are going to take my hard earned money and spend it on people who stuck their necks out, and lost, I am going to be made to pay for their mistakes, and stupidity, I keep my spending in control, I didn't buy a house that I couldn't afford, I didn't take a ARM, I waited till I could go conventional, and then found a house that I could afford the payments on.

Sorry I agree with Sandy, it was their own fault, they are suppose to be responsible adults, and make sure that they know what they are getting into, so why now should I be responsible for their screw ups?

a lot of people who are buying houses right now are people whom the american education system has failed the lack the education in critcial thinking and math to completly understand the lending contract
 
Yes, the mortgage crisis affects everyone, because they are going to take my hard earned money and spend it on people who stuck their necks out, and lost, I am going to be made to pay for their mistakes, and stupidity, I keep my spending in control, I didn't buy a house that I couldn't afford, I didn't take a ARM, I waited till I could go conventional, and then found a house that I could afford the payments on.

Sorry I agree with Sandy, it was their own fault, they are suppose to be responsible adults, and make sure that they know what they are getting into, so why now should I be responsible for their screw ups?

Yes we will all suffer wether we like it or not, wether we bail them out or not. That is the tragedy!
 
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