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That is the most likely course of action.
I can already see the idiots justifying it as Darwinism and big dick capitalism.
And the trigger happy crowd will cite patriotism. For us or against us.
All terribly familiar concepts.
To SAM & madanthonywayne:
I do not think you are correctly anticipating the nature of the problem that follows a dollar collapse. Yes it will mean that many imported items are too expensive. Perhaps not only is oil not sold for dollars, but you can not even sell dollars to buy what ever currency (gold?) that is accepted as no one wants to be "holding a bag of dollars" when they are rapidly losing value. So yes there will be some efforts to use of military power to cease oil etc. but they will not be very successful. They will only result in even less oil etc being available, as has happened in Iraq. (At about 60% of preinvasion productions still) It just very much easier to blow up a pipeline than to try to defend its entire length etc.
The turbulence at home will require the military to re-inforce the national guard. This too will limit the foreign adventure of the military. Condition are now very different from the 1929 depression when at least in most cities, the food the people ate travel less than 50 miles to get to the store, often on a horse drawn waggon! People knew each other in the smaller towns and helped each other. If you were hungry, you could chop some fire wood and get at least some home made bread and vegtable + chicken soup from someone you knew who had big garden, some chickens, a few pigs etc. It ain't like than anymore -People work mainly in an office or highly industralized plant -do not know the people living across the street and very few have anything more than a spice garden.
Great masses, especially in urban centers will have guns and be hungry. The police, national guard, army will do what they can, but not be able to stop hungy mobs. For example of what will happen, a road will be blocked, perhaps by some burning tires where it crosses a bridge or goes thru a tunnel, making it impossible for the police to get to the other side of the barricade, where most of the mob (say 25 people or more) are able to loot one of the trucks hauling food (or other items of high value) in less than five minutes and disperse. Most food travels by truck for much of its 1000 mile (or more) journey. This type of looting can not be prevented any more than a 1000 mile oil pipeline can be protected. Perhaps you can remeber the days of looing that occured in Watts? Well all of US may be like that or worse, and the force of government were not even able to supress looting by well feed people in one small part of one California city! It an't gona be pretty after the dollar collapses.
SUMMARY: The domestic chaos, anarchy, what ever you wish to call it will be the main concern of the army, national guard and police. They plus the essential trucks will of course be the only ones with gasoline. Better get that old bike in shape for quick trips to the grocery store if you have a friend who still works there and will call you when there is some truck delivering food. etc.
I do not think you are correctly anticipating the nature of the problem that follows a dollar collapse. Yes it will mean that many imported items are too expensive. Perhaps not only is oil not sold for dollars, but you can not even sell dollars to buy what ever currency (gold?) that is accepted as no one wants to be "holding a bag of dollars" when they are rapidly losing value. So yes there will be some efforts to use of military power to cease oil etc. but they will not be very successful. They will only result in even less oil etc being available, as has happened in Iraq. (At about 60% of preinvasion productions still) It just very much easier to blow up a pipeline than to try to defend its entire length etc.
The turbulence at home will require the military to re-inforce the national guard. This too will limit the foreign adventure of the military. Condition are now very different from the 1929 depression when at least in most cities, the food the people ate travel less than 50 miles to get to the store, often on a horse drawn waggon! People knew each other in the smaller towns and helped each other. If you were hungry, you could chop some fire wood and get at least some home made bread and vegtable + chicken soup from someone you knew who had big garden, some chickens, a few pigs etc. It ain't like than anymore -People work mainly in an office or highly industralized plant -do not know the people living across the street and very few have anything more than a spice garden.
Great masses, especially in urban centers will have guns and be hungry. The police, national guard, army will do what they can, but not be able to stop hungy mobs. For example of what will happen, a road will be blocked, perhaps by some burning tires where it crosses a bridge or goes thru a tunnel, making it impossible for the police to get to the other side of the barricade, where most of the mob (say 25 people or more) are able to loot one of the trucks hauling food (or other items of high value) in less than five minutes and disperse. Most food travels by truck for much of its 1000 mile (or more) journey. This type of looting can not be prevented any more than a 1000 mile oil pipeline can be protected. Perhaps you can remeber the days of looing that occured in Watts? Well all of US may be like that or worse, and the force of government were not even able to supress looting by well feed people in one small part of one California city! It an't gona be pretty after the dollar collapses.
SUMMARY: The domestic chaos, anarchy, what ever you wish to call it will be the main concern of the army, national guard and police. They plus the essential trucks will of course be the only ones with gasoline. Better get that old bike in shape for quick trips to the grocery store if you have a friend who still works there and will call you when there is some truck delivering food. etc.
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The economy is NOT in a recession. Not even close. It's never going to be unless the liberals take over. The Repubs will not let it happen. The economy has experienced strong growth. :bravo:
A recession is 2 quarters of negative economic (gross domestic product) growth, which the USA hasn't seen in 4 years. We've had 51 (!!!) consecutive months of job growth. The third quarter of 2007 was revised upward to 4.9% GDP growth.
The economy has weathered oil prices. Oil was over $90/barrel and still no recession. Workers' earnings were up. They grew at their sharpest rate since summer. The economy created 94,000 jobs in November. The unemployment rate remained unchanged from October at 4.7%. :bravo:
Despite all the liberal hysteria, we are fine.
So buck up, buckos. :yay:
A recession is 2 quarters of negative economic (gross domestic product) growth, which the USA hasn't seen in 4 years. We've had 51 (!!!) consecutive months of job growth. The third quarter of 2007 was revised upward to 4.9% GDP growth.
The economy has weathered oil prices. Oil was over $90/barrel and still no recession. Workers' earnings were up. They grew at their sharpest rate since summer. The economy created 94,000 jobs in November. The unemployment rate remained unchanged from October at 4.7%. :bravo:
Despite all the liberal hysteria, we are fine.
So buck up, buckos. :yay:
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Are you too young (or ignorant?) to remember that it has already happend on small local scale, like in Watts, DC, etc.? There looting / rioting groups were responding to a very local incident. The collapse of the dollar is for all of the US the looting and riot controll agents of government, including all of the miltary, are 100 times to few to in number to very contol half of the US neighborhoods. It is silly to say "it can not happen" when it already has in small scale with no one hungry or lacking purchasing power adequate to buy the needed food. I am reasonable suren you are too yound to remember that you could not buy gasoline during WWII unless you had a ration card and the corresponding sticker* on the car. I.e. you will not be driving to any store.Never.Gonna.Happen. More kool-aid?
After dollar collapse, more than half of the nation will be hungry and lack purchasing power, but they will have and use guns to try to correct those "lacks" at the expense of those who do not then lack food and still can buy things despite the runaway inflation.
Read a little history about what happens when the currency becomes, just paper.
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*My father was an MD. This gave us an "A" sticker and card for about 40gallons of gas each month (Perhaps it was 30 or 50 - I do not remember exactly)
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Idiot/moron/losers don't need an excuse to riot. We see it every few years when the scum get restless.
I'm sure that thought/knowledge will confort you when those "gun-toting, hungry-idiot, losers" loot the cans of food you were saving and burn down your house. (They will be well armed, if Watts is any guide, as the first stores looted were the gun stores.) But why worry? A "winner" like you will just pray a little, think some "right thoughts" and "Poof" - God will make a new house for you.Idiot/moron/losers don't need an excuse to riot. We see it every few years when the scum get restless.
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No one will ever hurt/loot me. Your hysterical predictions are just fantasies of what will never happen. Unless the democrats take over.
That sign in your front yard which says: "Go to next house - A "winner" lives here." may not protect you from looting. - Some of the looters are so badly schooled that they are functionally illerate.
I have no fear. Not of them. Not of you. Not of anything.
and certainly you are in no danger of learning from history either.
All the history I need to focus on right now is in my Bible. You can have the other books.
I have to go. I'm expecting more great economic news! :yay:
I was talking with sandy... :bugeye:
My God... she is completely delusional....!
You do not understand what is going on! It is the republicans that have turned this country into a plutocracy that has been so slow to change. The republicans are those who make tax breaks for the rich and do not aid anyone with low income as much as they should. As long as republicans are in office, this county's relations with other countries will be bad, the poor will remain poor. The only people who win with the conservatives are the upper middle class, and the rich.
If there is any reason on how the democrats will affect the economy, jobs, or this countrie's GDP, please tell me!!! I am just dying to know!!!
Sure, it's hard to defend an oil pipeline when you're behaving like a civilized person. But what about when you're behaving like a panic stricken, desperate person with the most powerful military ever seen? Would it be so hard to defend the pipeline if we wiped out all life in the area surrounding it?
Big cities would be in trouble, but small towns/suburbs aren't really that different from "the old days".
Notice the difference in outcomes between the fires/mudslides etc in California and the flood in New Orleans. No rioting/looting/etc whatsoever in California, while New Orleans turned into a warzone.
My family has had a plan since the days of the coldwar to head to a farm down in Southern Indiana (truly the middle of nowhere, you have to take a gravel road to get there) in the event of a major disaster.
You're describing the crisis that would occur immediately following a dollar collapse. Do you think that would go on forever? Did it in Germany? People don't like chaos. It would almost certainly lead to a dictatorship/fascist type government to restore order.
And the dictator will need to do something. What could revive the economy more than a real WW2 scale war? Take all those unemployed guys and put them in the army. But who do we fight?
Well, we've got to blame somebody for the chaos. We certainly couldn't blame the politicians for spending us into oblivion; or the people for voting for them. Maybe those durn Mexicans for stealing all our jobs! AND, THEY'VE GOT OIL! JUST SOUTH OF THE BORDER!. So let's go take it.
And those damned Canadeans. We've been protecting them for years, what have they done for us?
Or those durned arabs? They'd better hope they haven't commited any acts of terrorism around the time of a dollar collapse.
I could easily see the situation you describe leading to a real WW3, with us as the bad guys this time around. On the plus side, all the liberals who've been calling Republicans fascists for years might just get the chance to see a real one in action.
Let's hope it never happens.
only a fool fears nothing
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