meaning of jehad

[evolution]

hello dear readers
in this topic i like to clear the meaning of jehad as it is used by non-muslims to show that jehad means to kill or to do war aganist non muslims
so sir jehad means to strive. it does not means to fight but to do your best in every thing you do in your life.
like if your are studing then you should do your best in it.
like if your are doing a business then you are asked to do jehad in it to.

thanks
regards
Arsalan Munir

 

[Jan Ardena]

hello dear readers
in this topic i like to clear the meaning of jehad as it is used by non-muslims to show that jehad means to kill or to do war aganist non muslims
so sir jehad means to strive. it does not means to fight but to do your best in every thing you do in your life.
like if your are studing then you should do your best in it.
like if your are doing a business then you are asked to do jehad in it to.

thanks
regards
Arsalan Munir

I'm afraid your explanation won't stop people thinking Islam is a religion which encourages terrorism. I don't think there is an explanataion on earth that will stop that. It has to be.

Jan.

 

[KennyJC]

It's more to do with social behavior rather than what 'holy' text says. The Bible tells us to keep slaves but we don't do it any more, why? Because we learned that it is wrong and that the Bible in that particular teaching was morally wrong in every way

I believe that the Middle East will progress in the same way as it's society can't continue to be this stupid forever, just like Christian society used to be a few hundred years ago... Although Christians do tend to be quite stupid still, they aren't keeping slaves anymore which is good. In a couple of 100 years Muslims may be quite stupid as a result of their religion, but at least they won't be blowing up innocent civilians, so that will be good too.

 

[Michael]

hello dear readers
in this topic i like to clear the meaning of jehad as it is used by non-muslims to show that jehad means to kill or to do war aganist non muslims
so sir jehad means to strive. it does not means to fight but to do your best in every thing you do in your life.
like if your are studing then you should do your best in it.
like if your are doing a business then you are asked to do jehad in it to.

thanks
regards
Arsalan Munir

Sure that may be true as well - but Muslims themselves call for a Jehad against the infidels as a means to kill them. SO the word Jehad can certainly be used to inspire Muslims to go out an do a some killing. Hell Jehad is a word used to inspire Muslims to kill Muslims that aline with the infidels. And it also inpires Muslims to Jehad and Kill the Jews.

So although you may be right - it is ALSO correct to say Jehad can be used to describe a violent struggle to kill innocent people. Is that correct as well?

 

[Communist Hamster]

Please stay and argue with the islamophobes on this forum. It will amuse me.

 

[Buddha1]

hello dear readers
in this topic i like to clear the meaning of jehad as it is used by non-muslims to show that jehad means to kill or to do war aganist non muslims
so sir jehad means to strive. it does not means to fight but to do your best in every thing you do in your life.
like if your are studing then you should do your best in it.
like if your are doing a business then you are asked to do jehad in it to.

thanks
regards
Arsalan Munir

Your efforts to bring sense into how we practise religion is commendable.

But the world will only judge Islam by how it is practised, not how it is actually (or supposed to be) meant to be. If you want to clear the image of Islam you should isolate those who preach and spread violence and intolerance.

I think there you can learn from Christianity, which left the course of violence for peace.

 

[Sock puppet path]

Islams problem is not trying to convince non-muslims that Jihad means struggle it is trying to convince your fellow muslims that. As long as there are muslims killing people and claiming that they are fighting a jihad you will never be able to convince non-muslims.

Look here is an example from the news

A lawyer defending al Qaida-linked suspects standing trial for the 2003 suicide bombings in Istanbul told a court that jihad, or holy war, was an obligation for Muslims and his clients should not be prosecuted.

"If you punish them for this, tomorrow, will you punish them for fasting or for praying?" Osman Karahan -- a lawyer representing 14 of the 72 suspects -- asked during a nearly four-hour speech in which he read religious texts from an encyclopedia of Islam.


The November 2003 blasts targeted two synagogues, the British Consulate and the local headquarters of the London-based HSBC bank, killing 58 people.

The Arabic word jihad can mean holy war among extremists in addition to its definition as the Islamic concept of the struggle to do good.

Also just a few examples from the quran that are talking about fighting not struggling

004.077
YUSUFALI: Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah: They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!
PICKTHAL: Hast thou not seen those unto whom it was said: Withhold your hands, establish worship and pay the poordue, but when fighting was prescribed for them behold! a party of them fear mankind even as their fear of Allah or with greater fear, and say: Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? If only Thou wouldst give us respite yet a while! Say (unto them, O Muhammad): The comfort of this world is scant; the Hereafter will be better for him who wardeth off (evil); and ye will not be wronged the down upon a date-stone.
SHAKIR: Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.

004.084
YUSUFALI: Then fight in Allah's cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.
PICKTHAL: So fight (O Muhammad) in the way of Allah Thou art not taxed (with the responsibility for anyone) except thyself - and urge on the believers. Peradventure Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is stronger in might and stronger in inflicting punishment.
SHAKIR: Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except In relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.

004.095
YUSUFALI: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-
PICKTHAL: Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary;
SHAKIR: The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high) degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant to the strivers above the holders back a mighty reward:

 

[Buddha1]

Islams problem is not trying to convince non-muslims that Jihad means struggle it is trying to convince your fellow muslims that. As long as there are muslims killing people and claiming that they are fighting a jihad you will never be able to convince non-muslims.

Look here is an example from the news




Also just a few examples from the quran that are talking about fighting not struggling

The saner elements in Islam have a difficult task at hand! They should press for reforms, like Christianity have. But then who would risk their lives.

But as long as Islam's validity is based on violence, we can't hope for any thing positve. The question is, is it possible to take violence out of Islam?

 

[Buddha1]

But, whatever be the reality of Islam, the moderates in Islam need our help to rescue themselves and their faith from terrorism in their own midst.

Instead of it being a fight between Muslims and non-muslims, we should make it a fight between Good Muslims and rest of the world on one side and Evil Muslims on the other.

 

[evolution]

I'm afraid your explanation won't stop people thinking Islam is a religion which encourages terrorism. I don't think there is an explanataion on earth that will stop that. It has to be.

Jan.

thanks for the reply. it is due to the westren media but what so ever i am trying my best to teach people about islam and told them the rigth meaning of thing that has been used madia negatively.

thanks

 

[evolution]

The saner elements in Islam have a difficult task at hand! They should press for reforms, like Christianity have. But then who would risk their lives.

But as long as Islam's validity is based on violence, we can't hope for any thing positve. The question is, is it possible to take violence out of Islam?

thanks for the repy. islam is not violent in it is said that a man how kills one human has killed all the humanity.

thanks

 

[evolution]

Islams problem is not trying to convince non-muslims that Jihad means struggle it is trying to convince your fellow muslims that. As long as there are muslims killing people and claiming that they are fighting a jihad you will never be able to convince non-muslims.

Look here is an example from the news




Also just a few examples from the quran that are talking about fighting not struggling

thanks for the reply. do you know what al-Qaeeda is i think you porbaly do not know. i can remmeber those times when Usam bin Laden potray as a hero not my muslim but by american i when i was in 5th garde i read a article in the reader digest (nd i have still that copy) in that article he was potray as a hero and for very that day i used to admir him but now all the thing opposite.

 

[evolution]

It's more to do with social behavior rather than what 'holy' text says. The Bible tells us to keep slaves but we don't do it any more, why? Because we learned that it is wrong and that the Bible in that particular teaching was morally wrong in every way

I believe that the Middle East will progress in the same way as it's society can't continue to be this stupid forever, just like Christian society used to be a few hundred years ago... Although Christians do tend to be quite stupid still, they aren't keeping slaves anymore which is good. In a couple of 100 years Muslims may be quite stupid as a result of their religion, but at least they won't be blowing up innocent civilians, so that will be good too.

thanks for the reply. frist of all i like to mention that i also belive in bible as muslim. now i don't think so that in bible that kind of thing is mentioned it would been put by some huamn in it but islam has forbiden to keep slaves it is said in quran that free your slaves and do good with them. Give them what you eat and wear.
it is also said that a human who kills one human has killed all humanity.

thanks

 

[evolution]

Islams problem is not trying to convince non-muslims that Jihad means struggle it is trying to convince your fellow muslims that. As long as there are muslims killing people and claiming that they are fighting a jihad you will never be able to convince non-muslims.

Look here is an example from the news




Also just a few examples from the quran that are talking about fighting not struggling

thanks for sending me the text form quran i will soon send its reply.
thanks

 

[evolution]

Sure that may be true as well - but Muslims themselves call for a Jehad against the infidels as a means to kill them. SO the word Jehad can certainly be used to inspire Muslims to go out an do a some killing. Hell Jehad is a word used to inspire Muslims to kill Muslims that aline with the infidels. And it also inpires Muslims to Jehad and Kill the Jews.

So although you may be right - it is ALSO correct to say Jehad can be used to describe a violent struggle to kill innocent people. Is that correct as well?

tyhanks for the reply. i know the word jehad has been used in the wrong meaning also by the muslims too you are not allowed to kill anyone as it is said in quarn that a man who kills one human as killed the hole humanity.
killing on the bases of religion is totaly unaccepted. there are verses in quran who talks about the figthing but it is only when some body wages war on you then you are allowed to kill and figth in the way of allah or god.

thanks

 

[Buddha1]

thanks for the reply. do you know what al-Qaeeda is i think you porbaly do not know. i can remmeber those times when Usam bin Laden potray as a hero not my muslim but by american i when i was in 5th garde i read a article in the reader digest (nd i have still that copy) in that article he was potray as a hero and for very that day i used to admir him but now all the thing opposite.

You are very right. America has played dirty politics in the rest of the world, where it has cultivated nuisicance makers for its own short term benefits --- and the whole world is now paying for it.

 

[Buddha1]

Evolution, are you holding out a friendly hand on behalf of Islam in order to ease the present tension, or are you just interested in salvaging the poor image of Islam today? Because if it is mainly the second reason, then no amount of convincing will be able to clean the soiled image of Islam in the eyes of the rest of the world. It doesn't matter what the books say --- when innocent people including children are being killed by the day, by cowards the moderate interpretation of the verses become meaningless.

What can we do to isolate the terrorists? And tell them that what they are doing is un-islamic. You are telling the victims to ignore their wounds that are continued to be inflicted on them and believe that the religion is a spiritual/ peace loving one. How are we going to tell this to the terrorists? Who are living in a false sense of victimisation, and are justifying the murders of innocents based on this false justification.

And what power do you have to speak up to the terrorists?

 

[Crunchy Cat]

hello dear readers
in this topic i like to clear the meaning of jehad as it is used by non-muslims to show that jehad means to kill or to do war aganist non muslims
so sir jehad means to strive. it does not means to fight but to do your best in every thing you do in your life.
like if your are studing then you should do your best in it.
like if your are doing a business then you are asked to do jehad in it to.

thanks
regards
Arsalan Munir

Jihad is holy war... and the trendy thing to do is pull out a contextual definition of to 'strive'. Evidence is evidence... the sound balalalalalalalalalala *kablooie* seems to only come from Jihad-centric folk.

 

[Buddha1]

If Islam is really peaceful and spiritual in nature, then why does it tolerate (leave alone encourage) terrorism? Why doesn't it throw out the terrorists from Islam?

 

[evolution]

Evolution, are you holding out a friendly hand on behalf of Islam in order to ease the present tension, or are you just interested in salvaging the poor image of Islam today? Because if it is mainly the second reason, then no amount of convincing will be able to clean the soiled image of Islam in the eyes of the rest of the world. It doesn't matter what the books say --- when innocent people including children are being killed by the day, by cowards the moderate interpretation of the verses become meaningless.

What can we do to isolate the terrorists? And tell them that what they are doing is un-islamic. You are telling the victims to ignore their wounds that are continued to be inflicted on them and believe that the religion is a spiritual/ peace loving one. How are we going to tell this to the terrorists? Who are living in a false sense of victimisation, and are justifying the murders of innocents based on this false justification.

And what power do you have to speak up to the terrorists?

sir you got me totaly wrong i am not standing or protecting terroists or any kind of jehadist group that are making the world an unsafe place but what actually i wanted that there is misconception about islam which i have found very disturbing and trying to give the real picture of things.
actually what i am against is that frist these jehadist group where shown as they where heroes (in USSR war against Afganistan) and now the same pleople are called as terrorist. Above i have given the example on reader digest in which frist usama was shown as a hero( published in 80's) and now as a terrorist. what i want is that people should try to understand thing before making an kind of claims. what non-muslim usually do, they take one veres of the holy Quran and start telling other people that it talks about killing other people and do not bougther to read the whole chapter or the not even try to understand the background of the veres.
Atucally it is said in Quran that dicuses quran with people in the good manner. thats what actually i am doing.