Flores
Thank you Ghassan
You're welcome
Dumb is one that have a certain ability yet they go out of their way to corrupt and abuse such a gift.
Can you believe that, I could have asked anything I wanted, but I couldn't another word but Salam.
What else would there be to say ?
Masalaam
JDawg
I think Q perfectly stated my case.
Yes Qu tends to have that habit of being able to talk for others about whatever there is that is a disagreement with my view . I wouldnt be very proud on this fact if I were you .
Ghassan, apparently you dont' belong to any religious organization as of yet, but you seem to be searching for one in the Qua'ran. This is why I assumed you were Muslim.
No I dont belong to any religious organization , but yes I am Muslim . You dont have to belong to any religious organization to be a Muslim .
You are, however, under the impression that there is a god of some sort, or a higher purpose for being here. This, my friend, is not true. There is no high purpose. There is no reason. We are here due to the evolutionary process, and that's that.
You know Im really getting tired you trying to convince me of you Nihilism , its like convincing a farmer that rain is good . Its getting very very ridiculous .
You are under the impression that any theological possibility within Qu'ran deals with "a God of some sort" .
It doesn't have to be the same god. The fact that these people worship A god at all makes in untrue. Your god, thier god, my god...it's all fantasy.
Damn its getting really boring now . I dont believe in ANY fantasy God ok ? Tell me what God means according to you and Ill tell you I dont believe in that . How many times do I have to say this untill it gets through your head ?
I'm sorry, but it does reflect her intelligence. She obviously didn't pay much attention in english class, and most likely many others, hence her intelligence is fairly low. The fact that you cannot make the connection makes you fairly unintelligent as well.
I have made YOUR connection and declared it NOT LOGICAL .
Im getting tired you calling me unintelligent when we both know you inferior position . Let me explain it to you in a way you might get something for a change .
There is no such relation as you propose between knowledge English (or any other for that matter) grammar & spelling & intelligence . Can you write German ? Or French ? What an idiot you must be then . Can you write Chineze ? Or Arabic ? What a doofus . Not even Japaneze ?
Your example of "not paying enough attention in English-class" is a total joke , maybe she didnt even have English class where the hell is your brain man ? . And then you equate English class to most other , and then you conclude those who didnt pay attention in English class dont pay attention in other classes thus they are of a fairly low intelligence ?
Seems like you never payed attention in logics class , or even attended at such at all , or ever heard of it . Go crawl back into your cave man there's nothing for you out here .
Says who? You? What makes you the expert?
I can proof that they didnt . Yes when I am aware of what has been done wrong and have studied it then indeed I am the expert . However it doesnt take an expert to know the size and forms the errors come in and how there is possibility for relevance considering the entire scriptures .
Just like Q stated, the scriptures in the Qua'ran state that they are the words of God. God does not exist. Hence, the scriptures are not true. And there is no scientific evidence that anything in those scriptures actually took place.
Oh My God I predicted this even in my answer to Q your logic its just amazing . And then you come up with events that have never "really took place" . Back to your cave you !!!
We're getting into semantics here.
We're in semantics ALL THE DAMN TIME
If you mean the "Qua'ran is truth" in the sense that the text itself exists, then yeah, duh, of course. But I think you're saying that the scriptures of the Qua'ran are true, in which they are not.
You finally get that its semantics and then you come up with something as stupid as this ? OMG where is this world going .
OMG there are so many different levels on what you're wrong , oh what the heck Ill try to give it to you one more time :
1)You dont know what the symbols (who are not part of modern Arabic) mean in the Qu'ran (You're not even aware they exist how about that) .
2)You're not aware what the random letters in front of the Surrahs mean (Same here , no awareness of existence even)
3)You dont know weither modern Arabic (as you dont know it even) is translated correct into English
4)You dont know if the interperted semantics of modern Arabic reflect the Qu'ran .
You're lost out there completely , but you still have an opinion about it ?
Becuase that is what it says in the Qua'ran
AND HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT ?
But I suppose here you will say that they were mistranslated, an argument which you cannot back up with evidence.
Not just mistranslated but mis-understood and not at all understood as well . See my 4 points . Yes I DO have evidence for this , I can show you exactly how something is not translated correctly very easily and I have done so before on this forum .
I can also prove that there is reason for concern on the ARABIC semantical understanding and its correctness , and I cal also prove that there is PLENTY stiff that simply nobody knows what the hell it means . So they put it off as pronounciation marks and caligraphy (LOL) , now everybody knows how to pronounce nobody knows what the hell he' pronouncing in the first place ...... oh yea caligraphy .
This statement implies that you believe in a god.
No I do not believe in A God .
And consider this: If we are perfect, why do men have nipples?
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I cannot believe that this is your actual point for imperfection .
Let me tell what is not perfect . YOU
Now you start considering that .
Anglo-centrism? Dude, people would call your sentance structure and grammar awful no matter what part of the world you were in.
Your anglo-centrism is colonizing this world .
Also , nobody speaks native-tongue English accept for the English and their former colonies . Thats not the world , no someone would not try to perfect that as his own understanding is not likely to be perfect either .
I dont think that 1 B Chineze are gonna call my English grammar awfull , and frankly I dont think that MOST peoples on this planet would .
Wrong. I've seen plenty of the Qua'ran in my lifetime. Way to go just assuming that I haven't.
No you havent stop lying to yourself . And if you would have it would have as much as a result on your knowlegde than the original I-Ching or the 8-foldpath in Sanskrit . You just stare at it like a doofus and not know what it means .
And yes, Islam is a lie, just like Christianity and Judaism are lies.
You're the lie letters dont talk . You still not getting it are you ?
Another red flag for your stupidity. The words on the screen that you use to experience me are not created by themselves.
They are not created by you either , prove me different please .
Even if the words you read were just a program that automatically spat this argument out, you would still be experiencing me, simply because I would have had to write the program.
The whole damn point is that how I experience YOU does not have to be the same as how YOU have intended me to experience you .
Get it ? No ? Oh well
If you're saying I only have second-hand information of Islam, you're wrong again. I have studied Islam plenty.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I know of it through the Qua'ran AND the experiences of others.
So you can read Qu'ran ? Which one Pickthal ? LOL
You're also implying that learning of Islam through others cannot give one the correct meaning behind it, which would imply that no one has ever learned the correct meaning of Islam, which would include you, Ghassan. Your circular logic traps you yet again.
1)No I am not implying that : I am implying that it doenst HAVE to be the correct meaning , not that it cant be . I say the probability that its wrong is huge .
2)Circular logics you make up for me as I havent sayd that . As for logic ? Well I think Ive said enough on that part .
I have and I do. My worlds are already open, friend.
Dont lie to yourself .
Wrong. This is the Merriam-Webster definition of "God:"
WTF so now Merriam-Webster owns THEOLOGY ?
The semantics promblem here lies in the fact that you've attributed a false definition to the word.
Not really ...... but just to confuse you even more , Allah doesnt have to be the same as Illah .
But indeed I dont believe in the Merriam-Webster God , and neither does the Qu'ran imply . You're the damn theology-hijacker in here .
here let me pretend Im you : I wonder , what would philosophy be ? What does the dictio have to say about it ?
Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
There we have it . Well that saved me 4 years of university .....
Anthropology? Name me a case.
Blumenbach who "proved" the origin of mankind to be Euro-Asia .
But that is a nonpoint, because you cannot manipulate science
All one can do is input lies into the equation, as in the case of history, and hope that the outcome is one that better suited them. This is still not manipulation of science. It is lying.
Im sorry but how is this not manipulating science ?
And what's wrong with that? Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder
Duh
Murder is evil, correct?
Nope
Well, what if it is in order to protect your mother from a gun-toting assasin? Would it be evil then? Adolph Hitler thought it was "Good" to attempt genocide. He considered it a good thing to kill millions of Jews. To me it was evil, but to him it was not. See what I mean?
Thanks for the ethics-class , lol .
If you can't handle a world where we are animals and survival is based on your abilities, then I'm sorry for you. But that's life
So then when you cant handle that your social contract is going down the drain as lunatics start blasting your neighbourhood apart because they feel it really doesnt matter anyway and its alot of fun , then please blame your own logic for the failing of YOUR society .
And what is an "Almost" definition?
Its very probable , but its not a rule without exception .
Lets say 9999999 out of 10000000
Think about it...religion still controlls people today, and we're not primitive.
Yes you are
Your opinion, not based on anything factual.
Same can be said for what u say right here .
Yes, it does go against the scriptures. Read the scriptures, then study the sciences. The scriptures say God created Heaven and Earth. Science says the Big Bang did.
LOL , so now you're telling me to read scriptures ? All these opinions and still no understanding of the theological concept ? No you rather base it on Merriam-Webber , who cares what Qu'ran has to say about it ........ whats this crap man ?
Basically, you knocked the different fields of science, saying that if we were to learn about the overall picture rather than learning everything about every "Stupid little thing," we would be better off. I said that you were wrong, because if you learn everything about everything, you are getting a much deeper understanding of the overall picture. Your idea is that there is no need to learn so much about everything. If you didn't mean that, you sure as hell made it sound like you did.
Who's understanding the overal picture ? Mankind ? Im not mankind , Im just me . And yes I consider overal intelligence alot better than the same ammount of intelligence specialized .
You still have yet to tell me what your opinon is based on
The 4 points I made
Your opinion is that Islam cannot be understood today, because all the people know is the Qua'ran, which has been mistranslated and cannot be read correctly.
No those are not my points . It is a good point however that indeed peoples know nothing other than Qu'ran . You need reflection to understand .
I base MY opinion on science.
I base mine on logic , for the very least .
Where is the proof that the Qua'ran was mistranslated? Where is the proof that the people are missing a "Higher Meaning" in it's words?
Do I need to show you passages that are mistranslated ?
As for the "higher" meaning , Im affraid they hardly got ANY meaning out of it other than some obvious moral rules (who arent applied correct either but thats another thing) .
You know what so fascinates me ? How you peoples call those peoples who believe X such idiots etc . But at the same time you DO allow for them to tell you what X exactly is ?
Thank you Ghassan
You're welcome
Dumb is one that have a certain ability yet they go out of their way to corrupt and abuse such a gift.
Can you believe that, I could have asked anything I wanted, but I couldn't another word but Salam.
What else would there be to say ?
Masalaam
JDawg
I think Q perfectly stated my case.
Yes Qu tends to have that habit of being able to talk for others about whatever there is that is a disagreement with my view . I wouldnt be very proud on this fact if I were you .
Ghassan, apparently you dont' belong to any religious organization as of yet, but you seem to be searching for one in the Qua'ran. This is why I assumed you were Muslim.
No I dont belong to any religious organization , but yes I am Muslim . You dont have to belong to any religious organization to be a Muslim .
You are, however, under the impression that there is a god of some sort, or a higher purpose for being here. This, my friend, is not true. There is no high purpose. There is no reason. We are here due to the evolutionary process, and that's that.
You know Im really getting tired you trying to convince me of you Nihilism , its like convincing a farmer that rain is good . Its getting very very ridiculous .
You are under the impression that any theological possibility within Qu'ran deals with "a God of some sort" .
It doesn't have to be the same god. The fact that these people worship A god at all makes in untrue. Your god, thier god, my god...it's all fantasy.
Damn its getting really boring now . I dont believe in ANY fantasy God ok ? Tell me what God means according to you and Ill tell you I dont believe in that . How many times do I have to say this untill it gets through your head ?
I'm sorry, but it does reflect her intelligence. She obviously didn't pay much attention in english class, and most likely many others, hence her intelligence is fairly low. The fact that you cannot make the connection makes you fairly unintelligent as well.
I have made YOUR connection and declared it NOT LOGICAL .
Im getting tired you calling me unintelligent when we both know you inferior position . Let me explain it to you in a way you might get something for a change .
There is no such relation as you propose between knowledge English (or any other for that matter) grammar & spelling & intelligence . Can you write German ? Or French ? What an idiot you must be then . Can you write Chineze ? Or Arabic ? What a doofus . Not even Japaneze ?
Your example of "not paying enough attention in English-class" is a total joke , maybe she didnt even have English class where the hell is your brain man ? . And then you equate English class to most other , and then you conclude those who didnt pay attention in English class dont pay attention in other classes thus they are of a fairly low intelligence ?
Seems like you never payed attention in logics class , or even attended at such at all , or ever heard of it . Go crawl back into your cave man there's nothing for you out here .
Says who? You? What makes you the expert?
I can proof that they didnt . Yes when I am aware of what has been done wrong and have studied it then indeed I am the expert . However it doesnt take an expert to know the size and forms the errors come in and how there is possibility for relevance considering the entire scriptures .
Just like Q stated, the scriptures in the Qua'ran state that they are the words of God. God does not exist. Hence, the scriptures are not true. And there is no scientific evidence that anything in those scriptures actually took place.
Oh My God I predicted this even in my answer to Q your logic its just amazing . And then you come up with events that have never "really took place" . Back to your cave you !!!
We're getting into semantics here.
We're in semantics ALL THE DAMN TIME
If you mean the "Qua'ran is truth" in the sense that the text itself exists, then yeah, duh, of course. But I think you're saying that the scriptures of the Qua'ran are true, in which they are not.
You finally get that its semantics and then you come up with something as stupid as this ? OMG where is this world going .
OMG there are so many different levels on what you're wrong , oh what the heck Ill try to give it to you one more time :
1)You dont know what the symbols (who are not part of modern Arabic) mean in the Qu'ran (You're not even aware they exist how about that) .
2)You're not aware what the random letters in front of the Surrahs mean (Same here , no awareness of existence even)
3)You dont know weither modern Arabic (as you dont know it even) is translated correct into English
4)You dont know if the interperted semantics of modern Arabic reflect the Qu'ran .
You're lost out there completely , but you still have an opinion about it ?
Becuase that is what it says in the Qua'ran
AND HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT ?
But I suppose here you will say that they were mistranslated, an argument which you cannot back up with evidence.
Not just mistranslated but mis-understood and not at all understood as well . See my 4 points . Yes I DO have evidence for this , I can show you exactly how something is not translated correctly very easily and I have done so before on this forum .
I can also prove that there is reason for concern on the ARABIC semantical understanding and its correctness , and I cal also prove that there is PLENTY stiff that simply nobody knows what the hell it means . So they put it off as pronounciation marks and caligraphy (LOL) , now everybody knows how to pronounce nobody knows what the hell he' pronouncing in the first place ...... oh yea caligraphy .
This statement implies that you believe in a god.
No I do not believe in A God .
And consider this: If we are perfect, why do men have nipples?
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
I cannot believe that this is your actual point for imperfection .
Let me tell what is not perfect . YOU
Now you start considering that .
Anglo-centrism? Dude, people would call your sentance structure and grammar awful no matter what part of the world you were in.
Your anglo-centrism is colonizing this world .
Also , nobody speaks native-tongue English accept for the English and their former colonies . Thats not the world , no someone would not try to perfect that as his own understanding is not likely to be perfect either .
I dont think that 1 B Chineze are gonna call my English grammar awfull , and frankly I dont think that MOST peoples on this planet would .
Wrong. I've seen plenty of the Qua'ran in my lifetime. Way to go just assuming that I haven't.
No you havent stop lying to yourself . And if you would have it would have as much as a result on your knowlegde than the original I-Ching or the 8-foldpath in Sanskrit . You just stare at it like a doofus and not know what it means .
And yes, Islam is a lie, just like Christianity and Judaism are lies.
You're the lie letters dont talk . You still not getting it are you ?
Another red flag for your stupidity. The words on the screen that you use to experience me are not created by themselves.
They are not created by you either , prove me different please .
Even if the words you read were just a program that automatically spat this argument out, you would still be experiencing me, simply because I would have had to write the program.
The whole damn point is that how I experience YOU does not have to be the same as how YOU have intended me to experience you .
Get it ? No ? Oh well
If you're saying I only have second-hand information of Islam, you're wrong again. I have studied Islam plenty.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I know of it through the Qua'ran AND the experiences of others.
So you can read Qu'ran ? Which one Pickthal ? LOL
You're also implying that learning of Islam through others cannot give one the correct meaning behind it, which would imply that no one has ever learned the correct meaning of Islam, which would include you, Ghassan. Your circular logic traps you yet again.
1)No I am not implying that : I am implying that it doenst HAVE to be the correct meaning , not that it cant be . I say the probability that its wrong is huge .
2)Circular logics you make up for me as I havent sayd that . As for logic ? Well I think Ive said enough on that part .
I have and I do. My worlds are already open, friend.
Dont lie to yourself .
Wrong. This is the Merriam-Webster definition of "God:"
WTF so now Merriam-Webster owns THEOLOGY ?
The semantics promblem here lies in the fact that you've attributed a false definition to the word.
Not really ...... but just to confuse you even more , Allah doesnt have to be the same as Illah .
But indeed I dont believe in the Merriam-Webster God , and neither does the Qu'ran imply . You're the damn theology-hijacker in here .
here let me pretend Im you : I wonder , what would philosophy be ? What does the dictio have to say about it ?
Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
There we have it . Well that saved me 4 years of university .....
Anthropology? Name me a case.
Blumenbach who "proved" the origin of mankind to be Euro-Asia .
But that is a nonpoint, because you cannot manipulate science
All one can do is input lies into the equation, as in the case of history, and hope that the outcome is one that better suited them. This is still not manipulation of science. It is lying.
Im sorry but how is this not manipulating science ?
And what's wrong with that? Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder
Duh
Murder is evil, correct?
Nope
Well, what if it is in order to protect your mother from a gun-toting assasin? Would it be evil then? Adolph Hitler thought it was "Good" to attempt genocide. He considered it a good thing to kill millions of Jews. To me it was evil, but to him it was not. See what I mean?
Thanks for the ethics-class , lol .
If you can't handle a world where we are animals and survival is based on your abilities, then I'm sorry for you. But that's life
So then when you cant handle that your social contract is going down the drain as lunatics start blasting your neighbourhood apart because they feel it really doesnt matter anyway and its alot of fun , then please blame your own logic for the failing of YOUR society .
And what is an "Almost" definition?
Its very probable , but its not a rule without exception .
Lets say 9999999 out of 10000000
Think about it...religion still controlls people today, and we're not primitive.
Yes you are
Your opinion, not based on anything factual.
Same can be said for what u say right here .
Yes, it does go against the scriptures. Read the scriptures, then study the sciences. The scriptures say God created Heaven and Earth. Science says the Big Bang did.
LOL , so now you're telling me to read scriptures ? All these opinions and still no understanding of the theological concept ? No you rather base it on Merriam-Webber , who cares what Qu'ran has to say about it ........ whats this crap man ?
Basically, you knocked the different fields of science, saying that if we were to learn about the overall picture rather than learning everything about every "Stupid little thing," we would be better off. I said that you were wrong, because if you learn everything about everything, you are getting a much deeper understanding of the overall picture. Your idea is that there is no need to learn so much about everything. If you didn't mean that, you sure as hell made it sound like you did.
Who's understanding the overal picture ? Mankind ? Im not mankind , Im just me . And yes I consider overal intelligence alot better than the same ammount of intelligence specialized .
You still have yet to tell me what your opinon is based on
The 4 points I made
Your opinion is that Islam cannot be understood today, because all the people know is the Qua'ran, which has been mistranslated and cannot be read correctly.
No those are not my points . It is a good point however that indeed peoples know nothing other than Qu'ran . You need reflection to understand .
I base MY opinion on science.
I base mine on logic , for the very least .
Where is the proof that the Qua'ran was mistranslated? Where is the proof that the people are missing a "Higher Meaning" in it's words?
Do I need to show you passages that are mistranslated ?
As for the "higher" meaning , Im affraid they hardly got ANY meaning out of it other than some obvious moral rules (who arent applied correct either but thats another thing) .
You know what so fascinates me ? How you peoples call those peoples who believe X such idiots etc . But at the same time you DO allow for them to tell you what X exactly is ?