*Originally posted by Xev
I still don't see why the "old serpent" has to be the same serpent that tempted Eve.*
How many "old" serpents are there?
*I'm sorry, could you clarify?*
This statement is true, but often claimed to be a lie...
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(Genesis 2:17, KJV).
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(2 Peter 3:8, KJV).
Satan says, and lies while doing it, altho many claim the statement is true...
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(Genesis 3:4, KJV).
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
(Genesis 5:5, KJV).
God says, "in that day" and a day is as a thousand years to him.
Adam lived only 930 years which less than a day to God, therefore Adam died "in that day" just like God said he would.
*I'm not aware of it.*
OK, I won't treat "debating" with you as a debate.
*Some make it the basis of theirs.*
An example would be me.
*You think there is a real difference between "fallen" and "cast down" ?*
Only if you think there is a difference between falling and being thrown down.
*True, true, but where does that leave us?*
Us? What us?
I'm OK, but you could be subject to a Job-like thing.
*Alleged beings, then. I do not believe in their existance. But I might refer to Isis or Osiris as a being, for the sake of discussing Egyptian mythology.*
You still haven't explained how not believing in some beings would make you immune to their actions.
That's like saying you don't believe in thieves while being robbed.
*No. I don't believe in Cthulhu or the invisible pink unicorn. I do think that you are a rather intelligent man, and I enjoy our debates.*
I was referring to the fish-person thing and the believing in "stuff" stuff.
I thought you weren't aware of any debate?
Are you two people?
*They what?*
Lie.
*I don't follow - battle for death? Why would one battle in order to die?*
I guess you really aren't following.
It's not a battle for death, but for your life.
The people who have chosen death seek to convince you not to change your mind to choose life.
*Very true. I base my reliance on logic on circular reasoning - logic is good because it is logical. Also because I've seen more people err from illogical thinking than to err from logical thinking. Skepticism because it helps me get rid of a lot of error. Believing the first thing that you are told without proof will not help one live a good life, or to discover anything true.*
Lucky me.
Atheism is everyone's first choice.
That's why becoming a Christian is called "converting."
However, that circular reasoning you base your life on seems a little, well, circular.
There is no way to check up on your accuracy, or reasonability, or anything for that matter.
On a superficial level, your reasoning may be consistent, but that could mean consistently wrong, and even the determination of that is subject to things like memory.
*Existentialism is more of a label that describes my approach to life, specifically Camus' concept of the Absurd. This stems from my athiesm and disbelief in an afterlife, which stems from skepticism and logic.*
There is nothing inherent in either skepticism or logic which would preclude belief in God.
In fact, you are highly unlikely to meet anyone more skeptical than I, and I believe in God.
I am completely skeptical about the contents of millions of books, whereas most so-called "skeptics" are skeptical about the content of only one.
*Yes, this about describes Socrates' approach to life. Asclepius was the Greek god of health.*
You don't see the supreme irony of that being his approach to life, while he was dying.
Asclepius isn't just the Greek god of health, btw.
He's a demon, and he's the same "god" modern doctors swear allegiance to.
And, many's the modern patient discussing his sacrifice to the same demon while dying from his "treatment."
*He is basically saying that his life has been one long illness, and that he owes the doctor for keeping him alive for so long.*
Of course, had he not been dying, he'd have lived much longer.
Or is that just too obvious a concept?
*Could this not be the result of mental illness on the "possession's" part?*
That's the modern "interpretation" as given by the fathers of modern psychiatry, all of whom were drug addicts, sexual deviants, or suicides, or some combination of all three.
That would practically "prove" they'd be right?
On the other hand, since the demons speak for themselves rather than for the proposed mental patient, it seems fairly obvious that they are themselves rather than the proposed mental patient.
Furthermore, they are quite lucid in their statements even while the possessed are not.
Interestingly, after the demons depart, the possessed return to normal instantly, so something is obviously happening.
*I am subject to no-one but the laws of the United States of America and the demands of morality.*
Sure, and the moon is made of green cheese.
Btw, just out of curiosity, do you know the real reason you are an atheist?
*Why? Okay, stipulating the existance of demons and whatnot, why bother with me? I'm an athiest. I'm damned already.*
To keep you that way.
My purpose is to make sure you don't remain condemned, since a simple change of mind would save you.
*Then they would be hiding from me?*
I doubt that they'd have to try very hard to do that.
After all, you are preconditioned to disbelieve their existence, so any accidental discovery will be easily explained away, by your own mind, yet.
I still don't see why the "old serpent" has to be the same serpent that tempted Eve.*
How many "old" serpents are there?
*I'm sorry, could you clarify?*
This statement is true, but often claimed to be a lie...
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(Genesis 2:17, KJV).
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(2 Peter 3:8, KJV).
Satan says, and lies while doing it, altho many claim the statement is true...
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(Genesis 3:4, KJV).
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
(Genesis 5:5, KJV).
God says, "in that day" and a day is as a thousand years to him.
Adam lived only 930 years which less than a day to God, therefore Adam died "in that day" just like God said he would.
*I'm not aware of it.*
OK, I won't treat "debating" with you as a debate.
*Some make it the basis of theirs.*
An example would be me.
*You think there is a real difference between "fallen" and "cast down" ?*
Only if you think there is a difference between falling and being thrown down.
*True, true, but where does that leave us?*
Us? What us?
I'm OK, but you could be subject to a Job-like thing.
*Alleged beings, then. I do not believe in their existance. But I might refer to Isis or Osiris as a being, for the sake of discussing Egyptian mythology.*
You still haven't explained how not believing in some beings would make you immune to their actions.
That's like saying you don't believe in thieves while being robbed.
*No. I don't believe in Cthulhu or the invisible pink unicorn. I do think that you are a rather intelligent man, and I enjoy our debates.*
I was referring to the fish-person thing and the believing in "stuff" stuff.
I thought you weren't aware of any debate?
Are you two people?
*They what?*
Lie.
*I don't follow - battle for death? Why would one battle in order to die?*
I guess you really aren't following.
It's not a battle for death, but for your life.
The people who have chosen death seek to convince you not to change your mind to choose life.
*Very true. I base my reliance on logic on circular reasoning - logic is good because it is logical. Also because I've seen more people err from illogical thinking than to err from logical thinking. Skepticism because it helps me get rid of a lot of error. Believing the first thing that you are told without proof will not help one live a good life, or to discover anything true.*
Lucky me.
Atheism is everyone's first choice.
That's why becoming a Christian is called "converting."
However, that circular reasoning you base your life on seems a little, well, circular.
There is no way to check up on your accuracy, or reasonability, or anything for that matter.
On a superficial level, your reasoning may be consistent, but that could mean consistently wrong, and even the determination of that is subject to things like memory.
*Existentialism is more of a label that describes my approach to life, specifically Camus' concept of the Absurd. This stems from my athiesm and disbelief in an afterlife, which stems from skepticism and logic.*
There is nothing inherent in either skepticism or logic which would preclude belief in God.
In fact, you are highly unlikely to meet anyone more skeptical than I, and I believe in God.
I am completely skeptical about the contents of millions of books, whereas most so-called "skeptics" are skeptical about the content of only one.
*Yes, this about describes Socrates' approach to life. Asclepius was the Greek god of health.*
You don't see the supreme irony of that being his approach to life, while he was dying.
Asclepius isn't just the Greek god of health, btw.
He's a demon, and he's the same "god" modern doctors swear allegiance to.
And, many's the modern patient discussing his sacrifice to the same demon while dying from his "treatment."
*He is basically saying that his life has been one long illness, and that he owes the doctor for keeping him alive for so long.*
Of course, had he not been dying, he'd have lived much longer.
Or is that just too obvious a concept?
*Could this not be the result of mental illness on the "possession's" part?*
That's the modern "interpretation" as given by the fathers of modern psychiatry, all of whom were drug addicts, sexual deviants, or suicides, or some combination of all three.
That would practically "prove" they'd be right?
On the other hand, since the demons speak for themselves rather than for the proposed mental patient, it seems fairly obvious that they are themselves rather than the proposed mental patient.
Furthermore, they are quite lucid in their statements even while the possessed are not.
Interestingly, after the demons depart, the possessed return to normal instantly, so something is obviously happening.
*I am subject to no-one but the laws of the United States of America and the demands of morality.*
Sure, and the moon is made of green cheese.
Btw, just out of curiosity, do you know the real reason you are an atheist?
*Why? Okay, stipulating the existance of demons and whatnot, why bother with me? I'm an athiest. I'm damned already.*
To keep you that way.
My purpose is to make sure you don't remain condemned, since a simple change of mind would save you.
*Then they would be hiding from me?*
I doubt that they'd have to try very hard to do that.
After all, you are preconditioned to disbelieve their existence, so any accidental discovery will be easily explained away, by your own mind, yet.
, with a little atheistical agenda
