Looks like the Iran invasions not far off =/

yea nico. how about every single nation gets a nuke. that way there'll be no wars.

With every nation on earth having MAD surely there would be no wars. If Iran get's nukes then Israel will have lost her monoploy, I trust neither Israel nor Iran with nukes. But you cannot simply sit back and accept that Zionists can have nukes meanwhile you (Islamists) can't? Where is the logic in that? I am aware of the fact that nukes are more of a peaceful force then a destructive one. Peace would be easier in the ME with it surrounded by two huge nuke powers.

how can you possibly want a nuclear Iran???


I don't of course I don't, but I also don't want a nuke Israel. As long as the cause exists then I accept the effect.

As for Israel attacking the nuke facilities, Israel has some advantages and a disadvantages. The Advantage is Israel's great pilots, and her missiles (Popeyes) and advanced ESM countermeasures. The great disadvantage is the range, they would need re-fueling. Also for SEAD to happen et all, you would a large aerial force. Also I think that Syria would tell Iran that there are a huge wave of Israeli fighters going east. Also Iran's air force is a compotent one, granted she's running low on spares. She can defend herself against a Israeli force. Also the Iranian S-300 missiles can detecct/ hit a target from over 150km and these are some of the most advanced Russia has to offer. Although Israel has one thing that is being glanced over here. Her Dolphin class subs which are armed with a cruise missile (popeye) which could be nuclear tipped or not. And it's not to say that Bushehr hasn't been attacked before:

Iran
9/30/80: Iranian F-4 fighter aircraft bomb Iraq's Osirak nuclear research center.

Iraq
3/24/84: Iraqi warplanes attack Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor.

2/12/85: Iraqi warplanes attack Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor.

3/4/85: Iraqi warplanes attack Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor.

11/17/87: Iraqi warplanes attack Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor.

Israel
6/7/81: Israeli F-16 aircraft destroy Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor.
 
Me wonders if the North-Koreans secretely made a deal with the iranians and perhaps supplied them with 1 or 2 nukes and long range missiles to further pressurize/annoy the american government?
 
Iran and NK do have a very close relationship as does NK and Pakistan. The Pakistanit's seems to have helped the NK's with the nuclear portion. NK is using Iran as a testing ground for her TP missiles. So that's why I believe that TP program is much more advanced and well funded then we think. The deal is not a secret Iran and NK made a deal in 1989 to exchange fuel for arms. As for the nukes I can see NK giving Iran nukes if she really needs it.
 
What good is a MAD strategy against martyrs ?

Re-phrase, because there are so many political implacations to that statement I don't know where to start. So again re-state.
 
While I don't condone Zionist actions in Palestine, Israel has nonetheless never used a nuke, seemingly content to have them as deterrents, and has also shown no proclivity to use conventional miliary power on her neighbors since pulling out of Lebanon, even knowing she had those nukes as a deterrent against retaliation. Despite her somewhat heavy-handed internal policies, she has acted as a rational actor in her regional relations as long as her neighbors have left her alone.
 
Ok, I mean that Israel indeed never has used the nukes they have, but can we expect the same if some mad mullah has those nukes ?

MAD works for people who do not believe in the afterlife...
 
Yeah! It worked for Ronald Reagan.
Seriously though, I suspect there are no matyrs among any leaders of governments.
 
So the question is, how rational are the iranian leaders?
 
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With troops already based in Iraq and Afganistan the logistics are in place to invade Iran on any provocation from Iran or Al-queada.
 
You have to understand human psychology. We tend to clump things together. If someone has several enemies one will tend to think of them as working in concert. It dosn't help when the parties involved appear to be clones of each other.
 
Your going to tell me that isn't the way humans think just about everywhere? Its the way people are.
 
The Bush group will act on any provocation.

Independant of the relation between the provocater and the supposed target , I know . This is so because there is no cause in provocation in this situation , there is mere chance to excuse behaviour . Since as we already understood that peoples are idiots , Al Qaida Iran Taliban Saddam and what not are all considered the same thus a chance to excuse behaviour emerges WHOEVER acts out in WHATEVER way .

It wouldnt even surprise me if they pull in Kimmie as some secret Taliban Al Qaeda spy .
 
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