Lori,
This is going to sound strange, and I apologize, but I'm not really out here to debate. I know that this is a debate forum, so I'm going to quit posting here, at least for now. I was just looking for someone who used to post here.
You don't have to reply
but I can't leave this with no reply of my own.
I am so far beyond debating the existence of God, and the identity of Christ...it's like debating the existence of my little brother, and his identity.
You may be far beyond debating the existence of your god but that only shows your absolute belief in something, nothing more. I'll take your word for it that you have a sibling, but to compare the existence of a sibling with a god to me is far fetched. One is very real and the other is very real in the imagination, I gather that you feel your gods existence to be equal to that of your brothers, but you weren't born into a family that told you that your younger brother existed- only when he made his way into this world did you at first conceive that he existed.
It's just pointless...because I know that the only reason that you don't know what I know about God is because you don't want to.
I love all these assumptions you can make about me and think they are true. Probably what you believe about me is 99% wrong and that's fine by me but you'll never understand what I'm trying to say if this is the case. My story is much more complex than simply not wanting to know about god, but seeing as we're not debating further on this I won't elaborate.
It's law...if you look at the truth...the truth behind your own intent...you will see. You don't want to know the truth...you're even out here telling me why you don't want to know.
Lol, I look at the universe in a very different way to you Lori, one of the main reasons behind this is beacuse I was brought up without any religious dogma's implemented into my neurons through my parents. Forgive me if I feel I look on the universe with a less biased view than you, and have therefore found truths that you might easily ignore because of your natural bias. In my total years of existence I have not been closed off to the idea of god, for the most part I did not know about god. For a little bit I didn't like christians because of a select bastard few, but all the while if god wanted a vessel I would really have been the perfect kind. I'm still waiting for something, anything, to revel this truth to me you speak about. But believing in the bible would for me be believing in a man made god. If it is not apparent to you that the bible is flawed beyond reconciliation then you can further not understand what I am trying to say.
So you know that there is nothing that I can say that will change that.
Likewise there is nothing I can say to you that will change the fact you have liberally applied me with a preconceived set of ideas about who I am and what I believe. The reason you can't say anything to me that will change the belief you have of me is beacuse you're not talking to me, instead, you're talking to what you think of me. I can't reply, because you aren't talking to me anymore, you're talking to an idea of me you have in your head, much like that of your god probably.
It is your decision of your own free will to change that. But I must ask you a rhetorical question...and that is why? Why don't you want to know the truth? At least be honest enough to admit that you don't want to know.
You've definately gone ahead and categorised me. I want to know the truth, I search for it in my heart just about as much as I search for it around me. The fact that you believe absolutely in yourself and I believe something else means we can't debate or even talk about what I believe, it is of no moment to me, this has happened with almost every christian I have talked to.
It's law, Atheroy...it's science...there is nothing else standing in your way except your own sincere desire.
No. Firstly I would make some smart ass comment on the fact that you misunderstand what science is and secondly I would take offence. You don't know me, how on earth are you making these assumptions about me? From what you've seen of what I believe which currently consists of about two posts on an internet discussion board? Whatever, my sincere desire hasn't changed from when I was 3- an insatible curiosity untainted by the constricts of religious dogma. Though not a desire as we would classify them, you've got me fixed in your mind as something I'm not.
That the same organized religion...the same hypocrits that you are referring to in your refutal (they are called pharisees in the Bible)...are the very people who killed Christ.
god killed christ. By your own belief in the fact that jesus had to die on the cross to absolve us of our sin you cannot refute the fact that god killed christ, he made it so to save us. Why or perhaps more accurately, how can you believe in anything else?
The power structure in His day, religious and political were threatened by His existence, and put an end to it, in the name of power and greed and fear of the truth, and the destruction that it brings to their own sin.
No, this event needed to happen so it happened. Your religion is baseless otherwise.
So I ask you, are you going to let the exact same thing that killed Christ, kill you too?
If anything I am more like christ than you would think. I challenge old beliefs not because I was brought up to do so but rather because I believe things that we know now that we didn't know before. That and a mostly unbaised view of the world has helped me immensly in discerning things I otherwise wouldn't have if I had been programed by my parents to believe any outdated scripture of any kind.
Let Him take your place. After all, He would have gone through it all, just for you...even if you were the only one.
Gone through what? jesus never died, he got beaten for a day like many did then hung out on a cross like many did. I'm not refuting the idea of god, but the idea that god would need such an event to affect change- basically the bible is where I have problems. I just don't know how anyone can believe something so flawed.
I strongly suggest that you actually understand the scriptures before making up your mind...it's really important...be honest with yourself Atheroy.
Yet another assumption about me Lori? You really shouldn't have, the only one you are doing a disservice to is yourself. Maybe I hold my beliefs about the bible because I view the bible how I believe christains should. You believe god had a hand in it and that god is perfect. Why then is the bible so useless? Sure it's got some good stuff in it, but on the whole, the god represented within its pages is one sadistic sonofabitch.
It may feel like being jaded and defensive is a source of protection, but it's a lie...it can destroy you. Peace.
I am not being defensive, it's how you think I'm being. You have amazing skills of assumptive powers. I don't care if assumptive is a word I just made up either. You have, with this post, shown an astounding skill to apply ideas to someone you know little to nothing about. I'm glad you aren't debating further with me, because it would be an excercise most painful.
Be safe in your ignorance of others if it gives you Peace,
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