light propagates at c + v?

[RJBeery]

Well...we may not know the speed of gravity but "instantaneous" has no distinct meaning without reference to a frame.

 

[BdS]

I accept that this is your opinion.

Its my opinion that the way we calculate the orbit will prove the c + v. Experiment triumphs all speculation, anything sensible you wish to say about the experiment? And its not a problem that a theory ignores the c + v, but it is important to understand for future development. Just because your model doesn't say c + v doesn't mean that it doesn't travel at c + v in nature.

I also accept that you are entirely wrong.

care to show why? or do you expect me to believe your speculation, assumptions and postulates blindfolded?

I also accept that if you had any concrete substance in anything you say, you would not be here.

where else should I be? I listen to nature not your BS... its amazing how when you conduct an experiment, the right experiment of course, nature is forced to concede a answer. I cant even get past the beginning to discuss the important bits, guess I'll have to wait a decade or two for the apes to evolve as is normally the case, before they start throwing it back at me. I dont wish, lol, to gain anything from this, just asking questions and entertaining myself at your expense while marinating my liver.

And finally I accept, that you have an agenda...a religious one, despite trying to keep it closeted.

Im not religious, I only believe in God and dont follow any specific religious beliefs. It seems you are the most religiously motivate person here, anti-religious religious... tomatoes(us) tomatoes(uk)... why such a anti-religious stance? Maybe you got alter-boyed or something like that and why would you marry a religious person? best you could do with your anti-religious views? or do you wish to keep that closeted? Practice what you preach and all that. Im sure the prejudiced mods will be around shortly to wipe your a$$... We must be some of the self confessed clowns here that you mentioned

All the knowledge in the world is off no use to fools. The Eagles.

Did you just tuck tail with all your knowledge? or maybe you the fool? I dont mind being the fool on this planet, I'll fit right in...

Maybe the thread should be shifted to Alternative Theories or Pseudoscience?

Why? its not a theory, its a fact!

 

[BdS]

Well...we may not know the speed of gravity but "instantaneous" has no distinct meaning without reference to a frame.

I see it the complete opposite, since gravitational fields extend infinitely.

 

[RJBeery]

I see it the complete opposite, since gravitational fields extend infinitely.

But there isn't room for an opinion here. "Instantaneous" does not have a distinct meaning. I'm going to guess that you have not studied the math behind SR, is this true?

 

[BdS]

But there isn't room for an opinion here.

Why?

I'm going to guess that you have not studied the math behind SR, is this true?

Ok, you got me. whats SR and whats math?

 

[RJBeery]

Ok, you got me. whats SR and whats math?

Real cute. But gravity effects moving "instantaneously" would have to do so by the definition of "instantaneous" of a preferred frame since it would be producing real local observable effects everywhere. Perhaps you are advocating for an arbitrary preferred frame? If so, which one?

 

[BdS]

A universal frame

 

[RJBeery]

Hmm, I reread your original post. Detecting a drift would literally contradict SR. It doesn't matter if we're people on a galaxy moving through the universe or people sitting on Einstein's thought experiment train moving along its rails. I don't really have time or energy to convince someone of Relativity.

 

[BdS]

I don't really have time or energy to convince someone of Relativity.

Is it that hard to convince someone about it? Just time dilate it and it wont take long at all...

 

[paddoboy]

Its my opinion that the way we calculate the orbit will prove the c + v. Experiment triumphs all speculation, anything sensible you wish to say about the experiment? And its not a problem that a theory ignores the c + v, but it is important to understand for future development. Just because your model doesn't say c + v doesn't mean that it doesn't travel at c + v in nature.

You do not have a model. You have a speculative nonsensical scenario to support your God delusion.

care to show why? or do you expect me to believe your speculation, assumptions and postulates blindfolded?

Evidence is overwhelming for time dilation and length contraction.
You are able to goolge?

where else should I be?

Ignoring your rather childish nonsense, if you had anything of any substance, you would via the scientific methodology, be getting it peer reviewed.
Instead, you prefer to post in a forum such as this, open to any Tom, Dick or Harry, to delude yourself with some semblance of credibility.

Im not religious, I only believe in God and dont follow any specific religious beliefs.

Your belief in your magical pixie is the agenda driving your nonsensical unsupported delusional claims...simple as that.

It seems you are the most religiously motivate person here, anti-religious religious... tomatoes(us) tomatoes(uk)... why such a anti-religious stance?

Not at all. I do not venture into the religious forum. I will though show up our nutty fanatically religiously driven friends when they venture into the sciences with fabricated nonsensical scenarios, supposedly invalidating accepted science.

Maybe you got alter-boyed or something like that

You speaking from experience?
But yes I was an Altar boy but got sacked for drinking the Altar wine.

and why would you marry a religious person? best you could do with your anti-religious views? or do you wish to keep that closeted? Practice what you preach and all that.

You seem rather desperate my friend....But yes, my wife is highly religious, and also is tolerant of other views, just as I'm not anti religious, except when fanatical religious nuts try and disprove science as you have already been informed.

Im sure the prejudiced mods will be around shortly to wipe your a$$... We must be some of the self confessed clowns here that you mentioned
Prejudiced mods? Is that your only cop out? other than your pixie in the sky of course.

Why? its not a theory, its a fact!

That's why it was moved. But you take it easy, ya here?

 

[RJBeery]

Is it that hard to convince someone about it? Just time dilate it and it wont take long at all...

Just curious but how do you account for a null result in the Michaelson/Morley type experiments? Aether detection methods would also detect a preferred frame and light's velocity being direction dependent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

 

[BdS]

You do not have a model.

Yes I dont, when I speak science I use nature as my model and it is the only true model.

You have a speculative nonsensical scenario to support your God delusion.

You have a speculative nonsensical scenario to support your NO God delusion.

Evidence is overwhelming for time dilation and length contraction.

If I slow down will my thing get longer? I better appreciate that quickly and get a snapshot, because time will go by really quick?

You are able to goolge?

Thats that thingy on the internet, I'll check it out.

Ignoring your rather childish nonsense, if you had anything of any substance, you would via the scientific methodology, be getting it peer reviewed.
Instead you prefer to post in a forum such as this, open to any Tom, Dick or Harry, to delude yourself with some semblance of credibility.

Im not a qualified scientist and thats why I post in the fringe sections. I just enjoy thinking about nature. You came along and implied that because I was posting there my posts deserved no respect and I went up to the science sections.

Your belief in your magical pixie is the agenda driving your nonsensical unsupported delusional claims...simple as that.

Your belief in your NO magical pixie is the agenda driving your nonsensical unsupported delusional claims...simple as that.
Im not the one who keeps bringing it up...

Not at all. I do not venture into the religious forum.

So why do you keep bring up religion in a science forum and giving it more attention than you claim it deserves.

I will though show up our nutty fanatically religiously driven friends when they venture into the sciences with fabricated nonsensical scenarios, supposedly invalidating accepted science.

Why? just report it and the mods must sort it out, are you a mod? instead you start posting and making a big deal out of it. just like you came here and introduced religion again, when theres no religious intent behind my posting here and I have no friends here. I dont care if they move this to the cesspool TBH. Actually I'd post there if I could, but I cant create threads there I've tried.

But yes I was an Altar boy but got sacked for drinking the Altar wine.

You seem rather desperate my friend...

Ok, if you want to believe that fine.

But yes, my wife is highly religious, and also is tolerant of other views

She sound awesome.

Can we please stop this now?

 

[BdS]

Just curious but how do you account for a null result in the Michaelson/Morley type experiments?

I dont need to account for it, it supports my claim...

 

[RJBeery]

I dont need to account for it, it supports my claim...

Oh well there ya go!! In your world MMX would generate a null result but bouncing a light off the wall a meter away would generate a drift? Wow, can I unsubscribe from this thread fast enough?

 

[BdS]

In your world MMX would generate a null result but bouncing a light off the wall a meter away would generate a drift?

It doesnt drift because it travels at c + v, the whole experiment is moving with the earth at v. If there was a drift then it would only be traveling at c.

 

[paddoboy]

Yes I dont, when I speak science I use nature as my model and it is the only true model.

You speak pseudoscience, prompted by your magical pixie in the sky.

You have a speculative nonsensical scenario to support your NO God delusion.

We do not need God, simple as that...and Ocamm's razor.

If I slow down will my thing get longer? I better appreciate that quickly and get a snapshot, because time will go by really quick?

That has already been explained to you with relation to sub relativistic scenarios and relativistic scenarios.

Thats that thingy on the internet, I'll check it out.

You do that, but remember the net just like this forum, is also open to any Idiot that thinks he is able to dispute and/or invalidate accepted science.

Im not a qualified scientist and thats why I post in the fringe sections. I just enjoy thinking about nature. You came along and implied that because I was posting there my posts deserved no respect and I went up to the science sections.

Wrong, I implied that no one is going to modify/discover/invalidate and scientific theory on a science forum, for obvious reasons.

Your belief in your NO magical pixie is the agenda driving your nonsensical unsupported delusional claims...simple as that.
Im not the one who keeps bringing it up...

Wrong again...ain't doing to well are we? We have no evidence for your silly magic pixie and in fact science has pushed the myth back into near oblivion, and will continue to push as we further understand the mysteries and awe of this universe.

So why do you keep bring up religion in a science forum and giving it more attention than you claim it deserves.

Simply to expose the fools and their ideas and myths.

Why? just report it and the mods must sort it out, are you a mod? instead you start posting and making a big deal out of it. just like you came here and introduced religion again, when theres no religious intent behind my posting here and I have no friends here. I dont care if they move this to the cesspool TBH. Actually I'd post there if I could, but I cant create threads there I've tried.

Why? simply because religious extremists, cranks and those suffering with delusions of grandeur need exposing.
You have no friends and you do not care...Interesting.
Oh and if there is no religious intent or religious agenda behind your silly anti science rants, then you probably suffer from some other malady...But I see it as a religious agenda, as is obvious with most science cranks.

Ok, if you want to believe that fine.
She sound awesome.
Can we please stop this now?

Sure, you started the game though.

 

[paddoboy]

It doesnt drift because it travels at c + v, the whole experiment is moving with the earth at v. If there was a drift then it would only be traveling at c.

Totally false. Time dilation and length contraction have been shown to occur in numerous experiments, as is the constant speed of light.
In fact it applies at all scenarios including sub relativistic gravity and speeds, although mostly undetectable at Earthly those scales.
c+v is a contradiction in terms, and reality.

 

[BdS]

We do not need God, simple as that...and Ocamm's razor.

Ironic since a razors main function is to cut things into 2 pieces...

1. I HATE IRONY!
2. I HATE LISTS!
3. I HATE SPAM!

 

[BdS]

I really do not know what you hope to gain from this. This sort of thing has all been done, a century ago and the results are unequivocal.

Really, so why does light travel at c + v then?

 

[paddoboy]

Really, so why does light travel at c + v then?