light propagates at c + v?

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I didn't need telling that, I had worked that out for myself, thanks just the same.
Please speak for yourself and don't include me in your generalizations or prejudiced opinions about other members capabilities.
I reserve my opinion; and would be obliged to you if you also reserved yours in future and left me alone to determine for myself with what I will or will not agree.
Please leave me to work out for myself, from James R's kind and learned on-topic responses and content, what makes sense or not as the case may be given the science and logic in his replies.
You are not involved nor wanted in my conversations with others, paddoboy. .
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Ignoring all your generalised off topic remarks, the above doozies seem to indicate that you do have some sort of problem as rpenner has alluded to.
Let me say now, irrespective of mine and others suspicions, I'll give you a fair go, and hold you to what you have claimed you are here for, learning. :smile:
Because really, that would be great! So all the best with that.
Again let me assure you there is nothing wrong in being a lay person like yourself and I, as long as we are prepared to learn without any agenda blinkering our views, and as long as we are able to sift the wheat from the chaff.
The ball's in your court.
 
James R said:
expletives deleted:
There is an "ignore" function which you can use if you wish to make posts from people you'd rather not interact with invisible to you. You should be able to access this from your user settings, under "People you ignore".
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Thanks, James R, for your suggestion. I was already working towards doing that but I wanted to get a better feel for what's going on before I go that option; as I don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face by acting too hastily and possibly missing some important snippet of information or idea which I would have liked to have caught, even if it was posted by a member I would rather not dialogue with directly. I will take your advice in a partial form though; I'll ignore certain posters in effect rather than by resort to that software function; because I like to give people a chance to improve if initially found wanting.
 
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I'll ignore certain posters in effect rather than by resort to that software function; because I like to give people a chance to improve if initially found wanting.
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All I have asked is for your credentials?
You know mine so what's the big deal?
Like I said in my previous post, you'll get a fair go.
And I have asked you other questions. Could you answer them please?
 
It's amazing how lay people that obviously have a beef against GR or any other aspect of cosmology, can never answer simple questions re their own expertise in what they accept and what they don't accept.:rolleyes:
That tells an interesting story.
 
paddoboy said:
All I have asked is for your credentials?
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Will you stop demanding personal information from people. I highly recommend not to disclose any personal information to these cranks. And stop spamming my thread to oblivion! I'm starting a new thread on this topic.
paddoboy said:
You know mine so what's the big deal?
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You have disclosed that voluntarily, so stop forcing personal information from other people. My thread is not your credential verification spot.
paddoboy said:
Like I said in my previous post, you'll get a fair go.
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You'll never get a fair go from OCD paddoboy.
paddoboy said:
And I have asked you other questions. Could you answer them please?
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Dont answer anything as he has asked no reasonable on topic questions. The mods let him do as he pleases.
 
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BdS said:
Will you stop demanding personal information from people. I highly recommend not to disclose any personal information to these cranks. And stop spamming my thread to oblivion! I'm starting a new thread on this topic.
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When cranks and fools make claims about something they are totally ignorant of, I will most certainly ask about credentials. You need to live with that even though it will expose you as a probable fraud....or anyone else for that matter that claims to rewrite 21st century science on a remote science forum.
Sorry ol fella!
 
paddoboy said:
When cranks and fools make claims about something they are totally ignorant of, I will most certainly ask about credentials.
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This is a public forum that when signing up requires no credentials to be disclosed, so why do you as a mere user think you have the right to demand it of people?
paddoboy said:
You need to live with that even though it will expose you as a probable fraud....or anyone else for that matter that claims to rewrite 21st century science on a remote science forum.
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Stay on topic in my thread or leave!
Sorry ol fella!
 
BdS said:
This is a public forum that when signing up requires no credentials to be disclosed, so why do you think you have the right to demand it of people.
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READ MY LIPS!
Again if people want to make silly claims like c+v then it will be refuted.
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Stay on topic in my thread or leave!
Sorry ol fella!
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You raised the issue not particularly addressed to you.....I suggest you stay on topic.Oh, hold on! You don't have one! ;)
 
BdS said:
Not according to the experiments.
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Yep OK, great stuff. let's see you write up a paper and produce the evidence, because so far you have none.
Or keep preaching it to the world [well this science forum at least :rolleyes:]
It's still getting you nowhere.
 
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/einsteins-special-relativity.html

  • The principle of relativity: The laws of physics don’t change, even for objects moving in inertial (constant speed) frames of reference.

  • The principle of the speed of light: The speed of light is the same for all observers, regardless of their motion relative to the light source. (Physicists write this speed using the symbol c.)
The genius of Einstein’s discoveries is that he looked at the experiments and assumed the findings were true. This was the exact opposite of what other physicists seemed to be doing. Instead of assuming the theory was correct and that the experiments failed, he assumed that the experiments were correct and the theory had failed.
 
I must be off now my friend...at least, as I said the other day, I do give you some kudos for at least posting in the right section.
Oh, and that's a compliment!
have fun!!!
 
paddoboy said:
There's plenty of experimental proof, but hey! In actual fact as others have told you, the onus of proof is on you.
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And the proof follows, but you cant comprehend it. By you not being able to critically think for yourself I understand why you cant process the information and see why light travels at c + v. You are not the one who produced the theory of only c and have only the ability to show other peoples work, a science reporter in other words. In future you'll be showing/defending my work to others, lol. At least my work wont leave behind generations of lobotomized cranks defending it. So you'll be able to report and defend it with confidence that its what the experiments show, no assumptions needed...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_year

“The Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 828,000 km/h (230 km/s)”

1 / 299792458m = 0.0000000033356 sec (time it takes light to travel 1 metre)
230km * 1000 = 230000m (Solar System average speed around the galaxy in metres)
230000m * 0.0000000033356 = 0.000767188m = 0.767188mm (distance Earth moved in orbit around the galaxy in the time it took light to travel 1 metre)

If light travels at only c and not c + v (where v is the velocity of the emitter) then we should measure a drift of 0.767188mm over a 1 metre distance and a 230km drift over 299792458m.

Take a mounted laser and shine it against the wall from a distance of 1 metre. Draw a dot on the wall where the laser light is and keep it on for a year. If light travels at only c then we should detect a drift of up to 0.767188mm from the dot we drew on the wall. The Earth is spinning and orbiting the sun so as it spins the drift will change direction depending on the direction we are facing relative to the galactic year orbit direction/speed of 230km/s. If the orbit speed is to our left we should detect a drift to the right of our dot and in 12 hours when the orbit speed is to our right the drift should be to the left of the dot.

If we don’t detect a drift then light travels at c + v
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Because the one beam has a shorter path to travel than the other beam its in realtime motion.
While the one beam going in the direction of travel has a longer path 1m + 0.767188mm to travel , the beam going in opposite a shorter path 1m - 0.767188mm

Photon a travels 1m + 0.000767188m = 1.000767188m
Photon b travels 1m - 0.000767188m = 0.999232812m
Photons a speed is c + 230000m = 300022458m
Photons b speed is c - 230000m = 299562458m

Photon a travels the distance 1.000767188m / 300022458m = 3.3356409 20587351e-9ns
Photon b travels the distance 0.999232812m / 299562458m = 3.3356409 83423898e-9ns

thats what I get when calculated using the values from the OP.

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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
 
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