Kosher cell phones - when your religion makes you a cretin

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Here, read for yourself:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7636021.stm

Is that cellphone kosher?

The BBC's Erica Chernofsky looks at how Israel's highly traditional Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community is tackling the challenges and opportunities of new communications technologies.

When Israeli father Avi tried to register his 6-year-old twin daughters for his local Ultra-Orthodox school this year, he was happy to sign a form saying his children do not watch television or use the internet at home.

But he was surprised to discover he had to give a "kosher cellphone number". He did not have one.

Avi lives in Har Nof, one of the main Ultra-Orthodox, or Haredi, neighbourhoods of Jerusalem.

I feel I can control myself not to use the bad features - But do I trust my children?
Avi

The community separates itself from mainstream society through its traditional religious practices and distinctive attire of black hats, coats and sidelocks for the men and long skirts and sleeves for the women.

Like most other men in his community, Avi studies the Jewish scriptures daily, keeps the Sabbath and eats only kosher food.

But he has not yet opted for the new religious adaptation to modern technology that has swept the Haredi world in Israel.

Badge of observance

The kosher cellphone looks like an ordinary cellphone, can make and receive calls, and may have a calculator and alarm clock.

But it cannot send or receive text messages, browse the internet or take photos - all activities that could potentially involve behaviour considered "immodest" among Haredis.

For example, SMS capability could lead to the unwitting receipt of mass text messages publicising secular events. It could also be used as a method of illicit communication between male and female teenagers.

And all photos of women are forbidden, as is accessing websites with content deemed inappropriate.

The phone's other defining feature is a rabbinical stamp of approval, similar to those seen on kosher food items.

All the major Israeli cellphone companies have accommodated the powerful Haredi constituency by providing kosher phones, and cheaper-than-normal packages which only connect with other Haredi numbers.

As the companies have created distinct code prefixes to accompany the kosher phone plans, the phone numbers have quickly become a badge of religious observance.

Not only do some Haredi newspapers refuse to publish ads with non-kosher phone numbers, but parents are worried their children will be blacklisted by the shadchan, or matchmaker, if their numbers are not kosher.

Banana filtered

"What do you associate with the Haredi community? You wear black trousers, a white shirt and some sort of hat, but today the things that define you have changed," says Avi.

He says he feels there is a sense that anyone who does not have a kosher phone "should be excluded from society".

"If you say you are associating yourself with us, please act according to our codes, otherwise do not call yourself Haredi and do not send your kids to our schools."

But while they have managed to adapt the cellphone to their lifestyles, Haredis have had a harder time with the internet.

Last year, an Orthodox rabbi and an Israeli technology executive established an internet service provider (ISP) called Rimon, which claims to be the only filtering service provider in Israel that offers customised surfing packages.

The company says it cuts out pornography, violence, and gambling, and then provides the user with five levels of further filtering, from the "protected" level that blocks images of women in intimate apparel to the "hermetic" level, which allows users to view only unchanging, vetted websites like encyclopaedias.

There are many things on the internet that are not appropriate for me as a Haredi woman, things I would prefer that my family and I didn't see or hear
Miriam
"If your kid puts 'banana' into Google, some of the first sites he'll get are porn," explains Chairman Moshe Weiss. "Put banana into Google on Rimon, and you get all the same sites without the porn."

One Haredi sect, the Belz, which normally forbids online access, has partially endorsed the use of Rimon, but only for those who need the internet for business purposes.

The general rule for the local Haredi community still remains no radio, no TV, no internet and no movies - though Rimon is hoping that once it starts targeting the Haredi market that will change.

For now, its 15,000 subscribers are mostly secular and modern Orthodox.

Self control

Miriam, a teacher living in Jerusalem, is one of many Haredi Jews who do not have home web access.

She expresses concern over the amount of time people devote to surfing the net, wasting time they could spend learning Torah or doing good deeds.

Her main worry, however, is over the lack of control over content.

"There are many things on the internet that are not appropriate for me as a Haredi woman, things I would prefer that my family and I didn't see or hear, like violence, pornography and inappropriate sexual relations," she says.

For Haredis, "inappropriate" means any physical contact between a man and a woman who are not married.

But Avi, who says he needs the internet for his work in the tourist industry, has unfiltered online access.

"I'm not afraid of the negative aspects because I grew up with internet and I feel I can control myself not to use the bad features," he says.

"But do I trust my children?" he wonders aloud.

"When they are old enough to use it I will definitely have to re-evaluate. I think then I might put filters on or use Rimon, or maybe then I'll even disconnect internet from the house altogether. It's just not worth the risk."
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Published: 2008/10/06 07:58:21 GMT

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They take everything about their religion very seriously.

In Israel's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, where the rule of law sometimes takes a back seat to the rule of God, zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behavior they consider unchaste. They hurl stones at women for such "sins" as wearing a red blouse, and attack stores selling devices that can access the Internet.

In recent weeks, self-styled "modesty patrols" have been accused of breaking into the apartment of a Jerusalem woman and beating her for allegedly consorting with men. They have torched a store that sells MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography.

"These breaches of purity and modesty endanger our community," said 38-year-old Elchanan Blau, defending the bearded, black-robed zealots. "If it takes fire to get them to stop, then so be it."

Many ultra-Orthodox Jews are dismayed by the violence, but the enforcers often enjoy quiet approval from rabbis eager to protect their own reputations as guardians of the faith, community members say. And while some welcome anything that keeps secular culture out of their cloistered world, others feel terrorized, knowing that the mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives.

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Religious vigilantes operate in a society that has granted their community influence well beyond its numbers�partly out of a commitment to revive the great centers of Jewish scholarship destroyed in the Holocaust, but also because the Orthodox are perennial king-makers in Israeli coalition politics.

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The unidentified, 31-year-old woman had left the ultra-Orthodox fold after getting divorced, according to the indictment filed by the Jerusalem district attorney's office. The indictment said her assailant tried to get her to leave her apartment in a haredi neighborhood in Jerusalem by gagging, beating and threatening to kill her. He was paid $2,000 for the attack, it said.

A 17-year-old who moved to Israel from New York five years ago said she was hospitalized after being attacked with pepper spray by a crowd of men outraged that she was walking down a Jerusalem street with boys.

"They can burn in hell," said the girl, who would identify herself only as Rivk

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The state, catering to religious sensitivities, subsidizes gender-segregated bus routes that service religious neighborhoods. Ragen and several other women challenged the practice in Israel's Supreme Court after an Orthodox Canadian woman in her 50s told police she was kicked, slapped, pushed to the floor and spat upon by men for refusing to move to the back of the bus.

Another Beit Shemesh girl, who asked to be identified only as Esther, said zealots threw rocks, cursed and spat at a friend for wearing a red blouse — taboo because the color attracts attention.

Yitzhak Polack, a 50-year-old Jerusalem teacher, is one of those who deplore such behavior.

"They are stupid troublemakers who are bringing shame and disgrace on this holy community," he said.

But the rabbis are afraid to condemn them, says Yehuda Meshi-Zahav, another community member.

"They can't come out against zealots who champion modesty. Here and there they write against violence, but the militants ultimately set the tone," he said.

Stores are targeted too.

In August, a Jerusalem man was placed under house arrest on suspicion he set fire to a store in a haredi district of the city that sold MP4 players.

"It started about six months ago. They would come into the store, about 15 of them at a time, screaming, 'This store burns souls!' and they would throw merchandise on the floor and threaten customers," said 31-year-old Aaron Gold, a haredi worker at the Space electronic store.

One Friday night, just before the Sabbath was about to begin, "they smashed a window, doused the place with gasoline and lit a match," Gold said.

Now, a big sign behind the counter says, "All products sold in this store are under rabbinical supervision. By order of the rabbis, no MP4s are sold here."

Clothing stores that sell clothes regarded as provocative have been vandalized, and bleach thrown at merchandise.

Suspicion is all that's needed to spark an attack.

Girls have been expelled from school after being seen talking to boys, a punishment that ruins their marriage prospects.

"It could be very innocent; she could be talking to her brother," Ragen said. But once thrown out of school, "no one�NO ONE�will take you in," she added.

What's that word again.. ah yes.. extremists.
 
Don't use it.

When my children are old enough to access the internet, I would rather not rely on a program to monitor them. I'll put it this way.. they won't be going on the internet without one of us there in the room with them watching them at all times.

But why do you ask?
 
Don't use it.

When my children are old enough to access the internet, I would rather not rely on a program to monitor them. I'll put it this way.. they won't be going on the internet without one of us there in the room with them watching them at all times.

Why? Don't you trust them?
 
More and more brain surgeons are restricting their use of cellphones.

I wonder if they are becoming Orthodox Jewish?
 
Why? Don't you trust them?

Nope. Children can easily over-ride them. I'd rather supervise my children myself instead of having a computer program do it for me. Why do you ask?

Do you think Orthodox Jewish adults also need supervision just in case they stray from the fold? Don't dare to use the internet, the camera or send an SMS.. So they need to be supervised?

Simon Anders said:
More and more brain surgeons are restricting their use of cellphones.

I wonder if they are becoming Orthodox Jewish?
I suspect brain surgeons are using their mobile phones less because of some evidence that they might cause brain cancer. The Orthodox Jews are not restricting the use of mobile phones. You can call and receive calls as much as you like. They just don't want people to access the internet or use the SMS function or, God forbid, take photos. In fact, anything that might access the internet is banned and if a store sells it, they will vandalise said store.
 
I don't see where anyone is being forced into it, do you? Frankly if my kid was surfing the net, I would appreciate a net service where porn popups were not an issue. I may even choose the service for myself. So what?
 
I don't see where anyone is being forced into it, do you? Frankly if my kid was surfing the net, I would appreciate a net service where porn popups were not an issue. I may even choose the service for myself. So what?
It's a personal issue. How can I put this. I wouldn't let my kids surf the net without adult supervision. Net nanny software can easily be bypassed or turned off. So no, I would not rely on it to protect them. And we'd use a browser that stopped all pop-up's, something we do now anyway.

You don't see where people might be forced into it?

Did you miss this part?

Not only do some Haredi newspapers refuse to publish ads with non-kosher phone numbers, but parents are worried their children will be blacklisted by the shadchan, or matchmaker, if their numbers are not kosher.

Could be construed as a form of force, if not blackmail.

As could threats of violence for those who do not comply or adhere to their rules.
 
Oh... Fuck off.

Thats taking it a bit too fucking far.

Just because you don't take it as far as them, doesn't mean they don't have the rights to do these things. The man obviously knew he was moving into a Haredi neighborhood...and in the article I don't see complaints. Why don't you go pick on the Amish? Haredi choose which parts of technology they find useful and which ones they don't.
 
Did you miss this part?



Could be construed as a form of force, if not blackmail.

As could threats of violence for those who do not comply or adhere to their rules.

No I did not miss it. I don't support the violence, but I don't see why any community should not have its own rules and demand compliance for them. All societies do so, anyway. Pluralism of views is not a crime.

Suppose it said instead:

Not only do some Haredi newspapers refuse to publish ads with hard core porn but parents are worried that their children will be blacklisted if they are associated with hard core porn industries


what would your reaction be?
 
umm SAM, there is a difference
Net alert is freely provided by the federal goverment yes, but its up to the parents wether they chose to use it or not. Actually there is another option and that is that its blocked from the provider end if the parents want it to be so that the programe cant be overriden (wether it has holes or not i dont know)
 
So why even assign any regulation to the parents? In close knit communities, the people are like extended families. This is missing in most of western society which is why its probably an alien concept.
 
um because you have a right to autonomy.

For instance because bells doesnt want her kids looking up porn because of there age should that stop me as an autonomious adult from being free to do it if i see fit?
 
I suspect brain surgeons are using their mobile phones less because of some evidence that they might cause brain cancer. The Orthodox Jews are not restricting the use of mobile phones. .

(I was playing and taking a shot at what I think will be the cigarrette of the next century - cell phones)
 
Where I grew up all of the other residents of my community were always watching us kids and many of the other kids parents were giving us advice and helping us. I don't think I grew up any different than many other kids in other areas of America where there were local communities that had such parents and others to help when they could.
 
um because you have a right to autonomy.

For instance because bells doesnt want her kids looking up porn because of there age should that stop me as an autonomious adult from being free to do it if i see fit?

You could always move. Or find other people who think like you. Autonomy is socially agreed upon values. You can't walk naked in Australia but in India no one will care if you do.
 
why should i?
Autonomy should be respected unless there is a dam good reason it shouldn't. Ethics are based on autonomy, non maleficence, beneficence and justice. Autonomy comes first UNLESS a very strong case can be made for one of the others overruling it.

Futher more your assuming that because a parent doesnt want there underaged child to see porn that the parents dont watch it themselves. *Im not game enough to use bells as an example for THAT one:p* Why shouldnt they be able to as autonomious adults where sexual activity is legal, just because they want to keep it from there children who are to young to concent to sex?
 
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