kenworth said:it seems that what is identified as "me" alters depending on which sense i am relying on at that moment.
Oops.Where did I say that?
charles cure said:when is it, do you think, that you are only relying on information received by just one of your senses?
kenworth said:when something flies close to my face and i move to aviod it:eyes.when im in the woods trying to hear where something is coming from:ears etc etc.
*sigh* thats what i meant.i didnt mean that when im trying to listen out for something i go blind.i thought that would be obvious.charles cure said:right, but just because youre receiving information primarily from one of your senses doesnt mean you arent using the rest of them. all of your senses are active all of the time (unless you are somehow disabled) and even though you might be receiving more important information from one than from another, the rest of them dont just cease to send their input.
kenworth said:*sigh* thats what i meant.i didnt mean that when im trying to listen out for something i go blind.i thought that would be obvious.
charles cure said:right, but i guess what im saying is that "who you are" doesnt change depending on what sense youre relying on, because youre always relying on all of them, the focus just changes temporarily.
kenworth said:but at times when the focus is on one of your senses the location of "me" changes,ie im worried about loosing the sense that i am relying heavily on and so i think of it as my "self".shit,this is degenerating into hand wavy bollocks.i have an idea in my head but i cant express it properly.have the same problem with the fact that we are here.
Bowser said:I think kenworth is referring to the state of being an emotion or being aware of an emotion as it passes through his being. conscious thought... his he one or the other?
The non-physical representation of yourself is needed, otherwise any physical pattern would be meaningless as it wouldn't have anything to interpret it.charles cure said:no one understands it because it doesnt make sense. i guess youre saying something like that you have a soul and thats where you feel things and your body is just a huge receptor of information that allows the soul to experience things. well even if you thought this way, you still cant have one without the other, if the sould resided in the body or was trapped in it, the fact that you cant interact with the spirit after its gone kind of points to its need for the body and its direct relation to it.
now if youre not in a fantasy world believeing in souls and crap, then you realize that your feelings are indeed brought on by a complex set of reactions that begin with physical sensation and are not independent of it. but hey keep going with whatever point you were trying to get across, it will reach a spot where it becomes impossible to justify your view with any type of evidence or logic at all if it hasnt already.
The term "feeling" is not just a label for a set of activities, the term "feeling" applies to what is felt, we feel something, thus the term "feeling".Cris said:Cyperium,
Try this - you are your brain. The term "feeling" is just a label for a set of activities in your brain. You feel because that is what your brain is doing.
You are tying yourself in knots here because you are trying to think of yourself as something seperate - all clinical evidence especially from subjects with brain damage show a direct correlation between brain function and thoughts, feelings, memories, etc.
I.e. you and your brain are one and the same thing.
What I know and what IS known are two different things as you say.(Q) said:What I know is that the physical cannot in itself offer a full explanation of dreams, since the "material" that the dream is made of is not physical, even if the physical through it's logical patterns makes natural representations of the dreams.
Then, it appears that what you know and what IS known are two different things. Mumbo-jumbo?
but why? explain why it is BS? thankyou(Q) said:We are physical, but we experiance something non-physical.
me::ie te brain is physical and can be measured, but subjective consciousness and feeling is not physical and cant be measured. itisn't 'in' the brain.
Nope. That has never been shown, nor can it.
me::Have you heard of the 'Hard Problem' in science?They are talkin about it
A sound - as it is - is not physical
Wrong, it is completely of the physical world.
but the feelings - as felt - is non-physical in character
You keep repeating that, but it is complete BS.
Sure it can be shown, pretty easily, but I guess it's like the saying "they hear, but they do not hear".(Q) said:We are physical, but we experiance something non-physical.
Nope. That has never been shown, nor can it.
The vibrations is, but the sound is not. The patterns representing the sound, but the sound is not!A sound - as it is - is not physical
Wrong, it is completely of the physical world.
No it's not! You shouldn't be so fast rationalising away everything! Even the obvious!but the feelings - as felt - is non-physical in character
You keep repeating that, but it is complete BS.