Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

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pjdude1219 said:
the UN didn't create Israel nor any of the arab states what it did do in most cases is allow the people in the former colony to choose their own political status. except in palestine where it for some reason decided it was ok for armed jewish immigrants to conquer it. The UN had an obligation to the palestinian people to insure they got their right to self determination which they decided to abrogate because of jewish voting power in some of the major players.
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pj, read U.N. 181, the U.N. did give the Arabs of Palestine the chance to choose their own political destiny, and they rejected U.N. 181 in favor of military adventurism, and tried to take all the land in a war of conquest.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
pj, read U.N. 181, the U.N. did give the Arabs of Palestine the chance to choose their own political destiny, and they rejected U.N. 181 in favor of military adventurism, and tried to take all the land in a war of conquest.
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how does giving foreign jews the chance to conquer palestine; the palestinians being allowed to choose their own political status. Sorry but being given scraps of your own land after the best parts are taken away through force isn't allowing people to choose their own political status.
 
pjdude1219 said:
how does giving foreign jews the chance to conquer palestine; the palestinians being allowed to choose their own political status. Sorry but being given scraps of your own land after the best parts are taken away through force isn't allowing people to choose their own political status.
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Were does U.N. 181 allow anyone to conquer anything?

No how about all the illegal immigration by the Arabs into the lands between the Jordan River and the shores of the Mediterranean from 1922 till 1947?

There was massive illegal immigration by Arabs into what was left of the British Mandate of Palestine.

http://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-gun-arab-immigration-into-palestine

pj, your antisemitism is showing.
 
Haven't you guys heard the news? Nuttanyahoo have rejected the 1967 borders. Its all academic now.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
No how about all the illegal immigration by the Arabs into the lands between the Jordan River and the shores of the Mediterranean from 1922 till 1947?

There was massive illegal immigration by Arabs into what was left of the British Mandate of Palestine.
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Hey, I'm not anti-semitic, but that meme is false, it's based on spurious scholorship and has been debunked by Norman Finkelstein among others.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Jordan is the State of the Palestinians, it compromises 90% of the British Mandate of Palestine and that isn't enough for the Arabs?
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WHAT?
did you really just say that?

It's like me entering New Zealand and kicking out all the christians that live in New Zealand and telling them that there's quite alot of christians that live in Australia and that they should just live there.

does that sound good to you?
 
AvatarOfWoe said:
it is good that the conflict in the middle eats will now maybe some to an end.
just thinking out loud here, but look at the size of israel compared to the rest of the arab world, why can't the palastinians who for the most part can't satn israelies move to one of the surronding arab nations?
just a notion.
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maybe bcz it's their land?

god damn some ppl are stupid! :mad:
 
Bert said:
WHAT?
did you really just say that?

It's like me entering New Zealand and kicking out all the christians that live in New Zealand and telling them that there's quite alot of christians that live in Australia and that they should just live there.

does that sound good to you?
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It's not the same at all, those are islands. What we call Palestine has been variously part of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the Ottoman empire. Also, not all Arabs were kicked out of present day Israel. You do have to wonder why the Arab world has not already solved the Palestinians refugee problem. I maintain it's because they don't want to.
 
You do have to wonder why the Arab world has not already solved the Palestinians refugee problem. I maintain it's because they don't want to.
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The Arab states should wash their hands off the whole affair and return all the refugees to Gaza and the West Bank. Let Israel solve the problem. They seem to be better at it.
 
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Why would they suffer? Everyone knows Israel wants peace. See the plan they have been offering since 1967? Diane Mason has done a good job explaining it

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2008/08/treading-water.html

I think, if it is left wholely and solely to the Israelis, we'll see a faster resolution. They are quite clear about what they want.

Let them negotiate directly with the people they occupy, let the other states move back and let the two of them handle it.

Israelis have rejected all plans offered to them anyway, even the 1967 borders, forget about 1948
 
spidergoat said:
It's not the same at all, those are islands. What we call Palestine has been variously part of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and the Ottoman empire. Also, not all Arabs were kicked out of present day Israel. You do have to wonder why the Arab world has not already solved the Palestinians refugee problem. I maintain it's because they don't want to.
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Its not their job to pay for Israel's crimes. Israel could have solved but wants to force the surrounding states to pay for its actions.
 
Yes, they should absorb their Muslim brothers. Or they can continue to let them suffer. Allah would be proud.
 
spidergoat said:
Yes, they should absorb their Muslim brothers. Or they can continue to let them suffer. Allah would be proud.
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Making them pay and take care of the refugees Israel created is the same thing morally as charging a rape victim for their own rape kit. The surrounding states shouldn't have to pay shit simply because Israel feels its above the law. one of these days you and yours are going to have to understand that. What you want is irrelevant. what Israel wants is irrelevant. a framework exists for this kind of thing and the only people's wants who matter under that framework is that of the refugees them selves.
 
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