Israel, Palestine and the Arab/Israel Conflict

[Allahs_Mathematics]

Woe

yeah i know what happened in 47 and 48. the arab countries that surrond the small country of israel attacked and kept on attacking for years and each time the israelies won.
wow it really shows how great those arabs are at underhanded military warfare and that even with greater numbers than the israelies the arabs could not kill the israelies will and desire for a homeland.

And you dont know what happened before the Arab countries attacked (not that was the reason for their attack Im not supporting the Arab League one bit) ?

And the reason they lost isnt strategical or being underhanded at military warfare .

Its not their desire and will alone that gave them victory ........

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

Were YOU there? Did YOU have first hand experience? No?

What caveman are you , do you need to witness an event live to have knowledge of it ? Oh wait and I bet you do have this "superior" knowledge ? Your spirit was presented over the nation of Israel to absorb objectively all the information , right ?

Go back to bed old man

 

[AvatarOfWoe]

Allahs_Mathematics

im glad you don't condone what the arab countries did to israel in its beginings but then how can you support palistinian suicide bombers?

 

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And you're a nazi-sympathizant man , what in Gods name are you speaking of fanatism ? Racist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who am I doesn't in any way relate to who you are, besides I'm not a fanatic

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

im glad you don't condone what the arab countries did to israel in its beginings but then how can you support palistinian suicide bombers?

I dont condone what they did to Israel ? No I dont condone what did to Palestine , they should have killed all 700.000 of them colonists , they failed and the Palestinians are the victims of it .

I also dont agree on the motivations (religious/land/nationalism) of the Arab League , but that doesnt unjustify the end-result .

As far as Israel , I see no difference with them or Nazi germany , happens to be zionism and nazism helped eachother out quite nicely . For what I know what they did to the Palestinians , I imagine it to be nothing compared of how they must have been operating during the holocaust , knowing Irguns and Sterns were involved , knowing there were agreements , knowing actually Gestapo negotiations , I think if I would find out how they exactly operated during the Polish razzia's and deportation (with actual documents etc) , or within the camps within the nazi self-distruction system , I think I would vomit .....

The Jewish people of this world (weither they are Mizrahim falasha or Ashkenazim) are not Equivalent to the Zionazi's of Israel and USA , the 2 are not to be mixed up because they aint the same . Just because a Jew doesnt condone suicide attacks doesnt mean he doesnt oppose zionism either .

Palestinian suicide bombers are liberators and freedomfighters and many of them are martyrs , only thing I dont agree with is they kill themselves along the proces , they should leave their bags with a time-lock instead .

who am I doesn't in any way relate to who you are, besides I'm not a fanatic

what the hell do you consider fanatic ? You're views are oppressive and racist , where does non-fanatism come in ....... is it because ud agree with less as well , whats the deal ? You negotiate ideals ?

And it does relate to what I am , in the way i consider your views most opposing to mine of many peoples , you actually admit nazi-sympaticism .

But ur right though , your crap doesnt prove mine to be right , but when its the direct opposite .......id say it does a bit

 

[whitewolf]

AM, youre arguing like Arabs dont have enough land for themselves, which isnt true. If they dont like it where they are, if they find it too oppressing there, they are free to move! that is what poeple in other countries do. Jews fought for that land after it was given to them, there were a number of wars (im not sure) after Israel was created, and Jews are rightful owners of land they won. There's nothing else to it.
If those bombers of yours dont die after bomb blows off they're not martyrs. Martyrs they may be, if you want, but that doesnt justify what they do.
I heard that the terrorist organizations give money and houses to families of the suicide bombers; that is sick.

 

[AvatarOfWoe]

i don't see how you can compare israel to nazis they havn't commited genocid or tryed to take over the world and create a perfect Jewish rate.

 

[whitewolf]

AOW, thanx for pointing that out!

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

Woe

i don't see how you can compare israel to nazis they havn't commited genocid or tryed to take over the world and create a perfect Jewish rate.

1)They hold Jews Superior
2)They have cooperated with actual Nazi's and Fascists in
a)genociding their own
b)fighting for palestine
3)They have ethnic cleansed
4)They have taken over Palestine and have always wanted Damasque to be included and to have their Greater Israel

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

AM, youre arguing like Arabs dont have enough land for themselves, which isnt true

Land isnt the issue , oppression is . Palestinians have nothing , Im not arguing for the land of all Arabs , these Arabs have been left out of everything by the regimes , and Israel is its cause .

If they dont like it where they are, if they find it too oppressing there, they are free to move!

If I take your home and u dont like it u are free to leave as well .

Jews fought for that land after it was given to them,

They fought before that and whats not yours to give you cant give

there were a number of wars (im not sure) after Israel was created, and Jews are rightful owners of land they won. There's nothing else to it.

I dont agree with might is right

If those bombers of yours dont die after bomb blows off they're not martyrs. Martyrs they may be, if you want, but that doesnt justify what they do.

If they dont die they aint Martyrs indeed , doesnt make them any less of a Mujahiddeen . Im against they killing themselves (although some are nice just to present how far we are willing to take the battle) . What Justifies what they do isnt in them being a martyr , its in their action against opression . I dont agree with blowing a bus full of children , I do agree blowing a cafe full of adults .

I heard that the terrorist organizations give money and houses to families of the suicide bombers; that is sick.

No what sick is that YOU without even being conscious perhaps of it pay for IDF bullits witch are used to kill my brothers . And how is it sick to help a family that has just lost their boy or girl ? Weither u agree with what they did or not , the family might no even have known of it . These "terrorist" organization also build schools , provaid aid to the peoples and do much more than just retaliate (since thats all they do) . They're being soft on the zionists , they should be massive attacking it with bombings every day and every hour in every city in every cafe untill they stop oppressing the Palestinians .

 

[Xerxes]

1)They hold Jews Superior
2)They have cooperated with actual Nazi's and Fascists in
a)genociding their own
b)fighting for palestine
3)They have ethnic cleansed
4)They have taken over Palestine and have always wanted Damasque to be included and to have their Greater Israel

1) That's simply not true. Jews believe that they 'lead the nations.' Nowhere in established Judaism are the Jews held to be superior.
2) Are you saying that the actions of a few people reflect the intentions of an entire population?! I could use that logic to say that all Muslims are terrorists because bin laden is one...
3) Ummmm.. no. Zionists proliferated Judaism in the land of Canaan. They did not "systematically eliminate an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide." That was never the intention of your archetype zionist --they simply mean to live amongst other Jews in the land of Israel.
4) Again...the arabs initiated the war(s). Zionists populated region. Besides - the muslims are taking over france. What do you have to say about that? They're spoken goal is to convert everyone.

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

1) That's simply not true. Jews believe that they 'lead the nations.' Nowhere in established Judaism are the Jews held to be superior.

The saying that a Goyim life isnt even worth a Jewish fingernail is quite popular amongst neo-zionists (not the original ones ofcourse , the original zionists were anti-semitic as hell)

2) Are you saying that the actions of a few people reflect the intentions of an entire population?! I could use that logic to say that all Muslims are terrorists because bin laden is one...

Who's speaking of the Jews ? Im speaking of the political movement called Zionism my friend , the action of UBL represent Islamism , the actions of Sharon represent Zionism , so do the actions of the Lehi and Irgun and many many other groups within zionism .

3) Ummmm.. no. Zionists proliferated Judaism in the land of Canaan. They did not "systematically eliminate an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide." That was never the intention of your archetype zionist --they simply mean to live amongst other Jews in the land of Israel.

Yes they did , they caused diaspora of 700.000 native peoples an are occupying today even in their camps .
The archetype Jews were anti-jewish , thats not to be said of those today now is it ? The thing is not only other Jews lived in the land of Israel .............

4) Again...the arabs initiated the war(s). Zionists populated region. Besides - the muslims are taking over france. What do you have to say about that? They're spoken goal is to convert everyone.

They came in and chased peoples out and slaughtered and murdered . Im not speaking about aram armies , Im speaking the peoples that lived in palestine before the Europeans came .

How are the Muslims taking over France BTW ?
Converting everyone I dont consider a shared Ideal , rather the opposite of that . Islamism I see merely as a tool , if they can bring down capitalism that wonderfull , whatever their personal agenda's are who cares , by then other groups are active as well , they're not the sovyet union u know .

 

[Vortexx]

....If this board is a soft micro-reflection of the reality in the middle east, than i see we have still have a long way to go for peace, even if the american roadplan should succeed....

 

[whitewolf]

I dont agree with might is right

WHAT?!?!?!?!?! Ok, so lets reverse the outcomes of all wars that have ever taken place. This includes United States becoming British colony again, and dont tell me that's what you want, dont bite the hand that feeds you.
You see, from here all of the problems in Middle East stem. Get it into your head, to the victor belong the spoils. It has been so ever since man existed.

I do agree blowing a cafe full of adults .

Innocent civilians, that is, or, better yet, young people in a night club, when they're all stoned, and those young people being 50% Russian Jews. AM, you're a genius.

And how is it sick to help a family that has just lost their boy or girl ? Weither u agree with what they did or not , the family might no even have known of it .

On this subject, getting a house and money if family member becomes a suicide bomber is a known deal, it encourages the same poor Palistinians you're talking ab to take action and this way get finances. Sick.
Soft?! k, now that i dont like what you're saying, ill go blow myself up at your family gathering, bc i feel extreemly oppressed by your ideas.

 

[Allahs_Mathematics]

WHAT?!?!?!?!?! Ok, so lets reverse the outcomes of all wars that have ever taken place. This includes United States becoming British colony again, and dont tell me that's what you want, dont bite the hand that feeds you.

When they were a British colony , how about we bring the America's back to 1492 ?
PS , I byte the hands that feeds all day

You see, from here all of the problems in Middle East stem. Get it into your head, to the victor belong the spoils. It has been so ever since man existed.

Obviously we need victory , doesnt mean I agree withg might is right , its the most disgusting thing ever , righteousness doenst depend on power .

Innocent civilians, that is, or, better yet, young people in a night club, when they're all stoned, and those young people being 50% Russian Jews. AM, you're a genius.

Having fun while Palestinians are being murdered 2 miles so that they are able to have all this fun , that suits them right . Russian jews have no business in Israel , and the fact that they are young doesnt quite help them either , they're adults and responsible . And what does :m: have to do with anything ?

Man this is really reaching the point of having whatever they are described by as something that somehow makes them "innocent" ......cuz they're stoned , having fun , young , russian ........whats the connection between innocense and these things ?

On this subject, getting a house and money if family member becomes a suicide bomber is a known deal, it encourages the same poor Palistinians you're talking ab to take action and this way get finances. Sick.

Yea sure , Im sure somebody will kill himself because his family gets payd , have you got any idea whats its like out there ? Its sick you're trying to blame a persons most desperate motivation on $ , thats whats sick .

Soft?! k, now that i dont like what you're saying, ill go blow myself up at your family gathering, bc i feel extreemly oppressed by your ideas.

You blow yourself up whereever and whatever you want


My family gathering isnt in the oppressor in a colonized war-area ....... And they're used to explosions these days so I dont think they would even notice your attempts

 

[Abdullathebomber]

Zionists: The curse the Torah Jews have yet to solve.

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

legit targets

Abdulla: It's indeed a sick world, huh folks?

It's scenes like this that make people like me barf.

The Zionist trespassers and interlopers march in protest of those that want them off their land. They carry placards suggesting that they are more moral and decent than the "terrorists" they are murdering, maiming, displacing and stealing the land and water from.

They suggest that somehow, having survived the Holocaust, they are entitled to do a little Holocausting of their own with impunity.

Personally, I believe that if you walk into the Lions den and get eaten up, that the zoo's owners should be able to sue the trespasser's relatives for the cost of picking up the bloody carcass and scattered guts and then taking them down to the city dump for disposal.

The Psychology of these Zionist crazies is quite interesting.

Scene I; An Israeli tank fires at a group of Palestinian kids that are resisting the IDF killer's incursions into their meager defenseless villages by throwing stones at their steel clad vehicles, killing a couple of teenages.

Scene II: The Palestinian's then retaliate with Molotov cocktails, homemade mortar shells, AK-47 fire power and the fury of a wounded banshee.

Scene III: The Jews point at the Palestinian's (making sure the FOX/CNN NETWORK camera's are filming closeby) and report, like the right wing fascist pigs that they are: "See, the Palestinian's want to push the Jews into the sea!"

Personally, I would dread to see anyone push these venomous vipers into the sea because I believe that life would cease to exist in that Zionist polluted sea.


AbdullaTheBomber....

 

[bhudmaash]

I posted this in another thread:


1)stopping of all IDF activity.
2)complete withdrawl of IDF from all occupied terratories.
3)dissmantling of settlements.
4)stopping of the Bulldozers in Rafah.

these are crucial, tangable , realistic. pragmatic, acheivable actions, that the Israeli govt can take, to show it's intention.
If 1 to 4 happens, I guarantee the bombings will stop. The IDF is the main problem.

see my thread "Rafah"

...fairly close to what I suggested...let's see what happens, it's up to Ariel bombardement....and that's the problem

 

[bhudmaash]

XEV:

He can't, he suffers from a particularly virulant strain of textual diarrhea.

care to enlighten us with your incise knowledge of zionism vs judaism, the history of Palastine, the stern and igrun militia, what happen pre and post 1947-48, what happened in the intefada, what hapened during and post 1967?......

didn't think so. and what the hell are u doing in WEP anyway???
sod off back to free thought or whatever.

 

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care to enlighten us with your incise knowledge of zionism vs judaism, the history of Palastine, the stern and igrun militia, what happen pre and post 1947-48, what happened in the intefada, what hapened during and post 1967?......

bhudmaash sounds so smart, ain't he Xev?

 

[bhudmaash]

i've contributed to this debate more than she/he/it (whatever the hell it is) has.
hell,...even you're posts sound more inteligent than XEV's and that's saying something.

what's the matter xev, gotta thing for Allahs math...eh? does he float ya boat?