Israel begins sell-off of refugees' land

[Asguard]

err the same way its has been enforced on other countries in the past?

Most (if not all) international fund transfers go through banks which are regulated by goverments or the goverments themselves. You cut off the money surply you cut off the ability for a corupt goverment to buy ammo and there for you cut off there ability to win. As most of the money surply to israil comes from the US all it would require is a vote in congress rather than the UN to serverly cut israils "punch". You can further inhanse this by trade embargoes and the next level again by a full naval blockade of the country (though this one would require a UN resolution i belive)

 

[ElectricFetus]

err the same way its has been enforced on other countries in the past?

Most (if not all) international fund transfers go through banks which are regulated by goverments or the goverments themselves. You cut off the money surply you cut off the ability for a corupt goverment to buy ammo and there for you cut off there ability to win. As most of the money surply to israil comes from the US all it would require is a vote in congress rather than the UN to serverly cut israils "punch". You can further inhanse this by trade embargoes and the next level again by a full naval blockade of the country (though this one would require a UN resolution i belive)

Other countries did not have the Israeli lobby.

 

[pjdude1219]

More like they're stealing nominally Palestinian land in order to prove to their electorate that they are resisting American prohibitions on stealing actual Palestinian land.

international law says that what the refugees owned cannot be taken. But than considering Israel's compliance with international law.

There is no land that everyone aknowledges is "theirs."

Ok what most people acknowledge as "theirs" so they won't throw a hissyfit.

 

[pjdude1219]

I remember reading an entire interview in an Israeli paper where that guy simply referred to the US as 'Rome', repeatedly.

So seriously what do you expect of the people here? The agreement is that they won't build in any disputed areas. But the problem is no one can agree on what's being disputed! You ask an Arab in the south and the dispute is over Aza, you ask one in the North...they say everything from Hebron north...you ask one in Jerusalem...they say "East Jerusalem" and you ask one in the middle of the country they say "All of Israel". So should Israel appease all of them and cease to exist? Asking any of the Arab nations nearby that's the fairest compromise.

I expect them not to be self absorbed(minimizing everyone else and inflating themselves and their needs and concerns) greedy(taking more and more land that isn't theirs when they have availibe land that can be used.) bigoted(putting one people above all others) assholes( all of the previous reasons) and given the past 60 years that's too much. I expect them to treat the rightful owners of palestine with respect and work toward a future where all residents of palestine can live and prosper there in equality.

Basically it can all be summed up by this translation.
'Justice' translated to 'התפשר' which translates to ' هيمنة'
And in reverse...
' توصل الى تفاهم' translates to 'שמד' which translates as 'Peace in the Middle East'

thats closer to tranliteration than translation.

 

[StrawDog]

More like they're stealing nominally Palestinian land in order to prove to their electorate that they are resisting American prohibitions on stealing actual Palestinian land.
There is no land that everyone aknowledges is "theirs."

To reiterate.

According to international law, Israel holds the property of more than four million Palestinian refugees in custodianship, until a final peace deal determines whether some or all of them will be allowed back to their 400-plus destroyed Palestinian villages or are compensated for their loss. But last week, in a violation of international law and the refugees’ property rights that went unnoticed both inside Israel and abroad, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, forced through a revolutionary land reform. (http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/65425)

The binding law of custodianship under refugee property rights is being violated. Period.

 

[CheskiChips]

I expect them not to be self absorbed(minimizing everyone else and inflating themselves and their needs and concerns) greedy(taking more and more land that isn't theirs when they have availibe land that can be used.) bigoted(putting one people above all others) assholes( all of the previous reasons) and given the past 60 years that's too much. I expect them to treat the rightful owners of palestine with respect and work toward a future where all residents of palestine can live and prosper there in equality.

That's the Israeli attitude...probably not going to change.

thats closer to tranliteration than translation.

It's neither. It is however, a joke.

Basically it can all be summed up by this translation.
'Justice' translated to 'התפשר' which translates to ' هيمنة'
And in reverse...
' توصل الى تفاهم' translates to 'שמד' which translates as 'Peace in the Middle East'

'Justice' --> התפשר ("Compromise") -->هيمنة ("Dominance")
توصل الى تفاهم ("Compromise") --> שמד ("Religious Persecution") --> 'Peace in the Middle East'

 

[pjdude1219]

That's the Israeli attitude...probably not going to change.

Probably not but just because the right thing is impossible i9s no reason not to try and achieve it.

 

[S.A.M.]

That's the Israeli attitude...probably not going to change.

It will, simply because they have turned into a society where violence is acceptable. That kind of attitude doesn't take you very far. Collectively, they will change how Jews are viewed by others [from victim to aggressor] and themselves in a way that will put them at odds, not only with the very polite and thoughtful Arab societies that surround them but also a world getting increasingly diverse and well connected. Their approach is anachronistic to any person who lives in a mixed society and considers all humans as equal.

Here is an example of what they face

Bi'lin Habibati

 

[Fukushi]

What would happen if all the people talking about it on the internet, would come out of their cave, get together and actually protest on the streets about it?

 

[S.A.M.]

Depends on where. If in Bilin they may end up with a gas grenade through their skull.

 

[spidergoat]

What would happen if all the people talking about it on the internet, would come out of their cave, get together and actually protest on the streets about it?

nothing

 

[S.A.M.]

Who cares what Cheski translated? The issue is refugee land being sold off by Israelis. Start a new thread in linguistics

 

[quadraphonics]

The issue is refugee land being sold off by Israelis.

No, it's being sold by Israel (to Israelis). The issue would be very much different, if this were something being done by some individual "Israelis."

 

[StrawDog]

No, it's being sold by Israel (to Israelis). The issue would be very much different, if this were something being done by some individual "Israelis."

So under these circumstances, the LAW does not apply?

 

[quadraphonics]

So under these circumstances, the LAW does not apply?

Huh?

 

[mike47]

Israel's history is full of injustice and full of killings the innocent people .

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Israel's history is full of injustice and full of killings the innocent people .

And what of the History of the Arabs in Palestine, and Arab States, it is a history full of injustice and killings of innocent people, the Jews and their own fellow Arabs.

 

[mike47]

And what of the History of the Arabs in Palestine, and Arab States, it is a history full of injustice and killings of innocent people, the Jews and their own fellow Arabs.

Déjà vu indeed !.
And indeed !.
What about the atrocities of the US and their puppets NATO ?.
Read history as it is its own witness !.
:shrug::shrug: .

 

[CptBork]

What do you want Israel to do, they have a population exploding and nowhere to put their citizens. "Property encroachment" is the result of being unable to find housing for anyone as a result of the building freeze implemented by the US Government. When the population grows and building new housing is outlawed what are Israelis to do? They'd build new cities, but it's not permitted...so they simply expand their present cities.

That's a major load of podunk right there. Israel's population is suddenly exploding and they have nowhere to go? Then what's all this talk about a demographic problem and how not enough jews are being born? I mean, you could have tried to either deny this report or provide a different explanation and context, or you could have passed it off as a minor incident and not a major factor in the big scheme of things, citing positive developments as a contrast. But no. You decided to tie this thing in to a settlement freeze, which is utterly ridiculous and embarasses your cause more than it helps.

Firstly, the report says the settlers were pushing their herds out to the very edges of their fields and beyond. The wording implies that they had plenty of room for their sheep to graze on their own lands, but instead they chose to push them out as far as possible, to be utter righteous pricks to their neighbours. You didn't challenge this claim, you tried to justify it. Gee, where have I heard people trying to come up with intelligent and systematic justifications for the crimes of their countrymen before?

Secondly, if a population bursting at the seams is a valid excuse for invading and then stealing someone else's land and property, why is this not a valid excuse for the Palestinians? You think you guys are crammed in tight? I believe Gaza is now the most densely populated region on the entire planet.

Thirdly, Israel has a (comparatively) vast and mostly unused region in its southern underbelly, called the Negev. As I understand it, all kinds of infrastructure projects are currently underway to make the region more habitable and profitable for future generations. Once all the tree planting and water desalinating kicks into gear, the whole region will be like a lush oasis in the desert. So if there's a lack of room to move, why not focus on that instead of kicking a bunch of Palestinian farmers off land their families have owned and worked for generations? And in any case, screw the Negev. There's lots of unused and unsettled land up in the northern parts around the Golan. "We need more land" just isn't a valid excuse, that's the kind of thinking which will isolate and destroy your country.

 

[CheskiChips]

That's a major load of podunk right there. Israel's population is suddenly exploding and they have nowhere to go? Then what's all this talk about a demographic problem and how not enough jews are being born? I mean, you could have tried to either deny this report or provide a different explanation and context, or you could have passed it off as a minor incident and not a major factor in the big scheme of things, citing positive developments as a contrast. But no. You decided to tie this thing in to a settlement freeze, which is utterly ridiculous and embarasses your cause more than it helps.

Orthodox families have 8-10 kids...and the birthrate of Israel is still higher than the majority (if not all) of 1st world countries.

Firstly, the report says the settlers were pushing their herds out to the very edges of their fields and beyond. The wording implies that they had plenty of room for their sheep to graze on their own lands, but instead they chose to push them out as far as possible, to be utter righteous pricks to their neighbours. You didn't challenge this claim, you tried to justify it. Gee, where have I heard people trying to come up with intelligent and systematic justifications for the crimes of their countrymen before?

I don't know anything about this, it seems like an isolated incident with factors currently unknown. So most likely you don't know anything about it either.

Secondly, if a population bursting at the seams is a valid excuse for invading and then stealing someone else's land and property, why is this not a valid excuse for the Palestinians? You think you guys are crammed in tight? I believe Gaza is now the most densely populated region on the entire planet.

Probably because no one agrees on the boundaries in the first place.

Thirdly, Israel has a (comparatively) vast and mostly unused region in its southern underbelly, called the Negev. As I understand it, all kinds of infrastructure projects are currently underway to make the region more habitable and profitable for future generations. Once all the tree planting and water desalinating kicks into gear, the whole region will be like a lush oasis in the desert. So if there's a lack of room to move, why not focus on that instead of kicking a bunch of Palestinian farmers off land their families have owned and worked for generations? And in any case, screw the Negev. There's lots of unused and unsettled land up in the northern parts around the Golan. "We need more land" just isn't a valid excuse, that's the kind of thinking which will isolate and destroy your country.

The Negev has no water resources. If war were to occur everyone there would be outside of Israel's capability of defense. It's militarily, economic, and socially bad idea to colonize the Negev.


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I've got a solution. Iran owes Jews 600billion dollars from illegal confiscations. That's on par with the HIGHEST claims of Gazan value...so high they're absurd. In any case...why doesn't Iran take every single person in GAZA to the Jewish confiscations...and Iraq, which owes 20billion will pay for transport. And then Egypt will pay to feed them on the way with their 15billion. Then Morocco and other northern African countries could pay their luxuries with their confiscated values. Sound reasonable? Why not? The Mizrachi live in poverty today thanks to those lovely countries.