Islam & Wife Beating

The Muslim Reformer RASHAD KHALIFAH. Founder of the 19 sect. Discoverer of the supposed Mathematical Miracle. ;)
 
(Q) said:
PM
Quite simply, The Muslim household is a dictatorship encouraged by Islam. The wife has no say in any matters; she must obey her husband or be beaten.
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in the Islamic household, the wife has more say over the kids and the maintanince of the house. also, in Islam women do work despite what people think. an Islamic society NEEDS female doctors,nurses,teachers etc. the first woman doctor in the west was in the 18th century. women couldn't really get proper jobs either until feminism in 60's.
 
Any segregation of duties by sex is wrong. Muslims need a feminist movement of their own. Mind you, Japanese attitudes to women (or the media representation of them) give me the fear, too. And the wage gap in the U.K. is getting bigger in a lot of jobs.
Where's my lighter, I've got a bra to burn!
 
Western wife beating is " unspiritual and unholy"? Assuming that you mean Christianity when you say this ( you didn't specify). Where in the Bible does it say a man can't hit his wife?
 
Ebony said:
Western wife beating is " unspiritual and unholy"? Assuming that you mean Christianity when you say this ( you didn't specify). Where in the Bible does it say a man can't hit his wife?
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Yes I was referring to the few christians in the west who beat their wives. I said it was unspiritual and unholy because beating wives was in violation to what their apostle Paul commanded to love their wives as they love their own flesh. Im sure many of those men who beat their wives dont punch their own faces. So that kinda answers your question, indirectly. A christian can beat his wife if he beats his own body.
 
So, are you saying that the Quran denies women basic rights of equality, Proud_Muslim. What a wonderfully enlightened picture of Islam you paint.
 
Proud_Muslim said:
Good, we dont need people like you, you are more of liability than gain ! :D
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This remark is actually rather frightening, but the exclamation point and smiley soothe my fears.
They serve as a reminder that their maker possesses a callow mind.
 
James R said:
So, are you saying that the Quran denies women basic rights of equality, Proud_Muslim. What a wonderfully enlightened picture of Islam you paint.
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Islam was the first religion to grant its rights. It is in no way oppressive to the female gender, for the Quran has set the woman is equal. Here is an excellent site, that despite the lenghy text, is quite educationing.

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/qur_wom.html

Here are some parts that I pointed out.

"
5. Historical records show that women participated in public life
with the early Muslims, especially in times of emergencies. Women used
to accompany the Muslim armies engaged in battles to nurse the
wounded, prepare supplies, serve the warriors, and so on. They were
not shut behind iron bars or considered worthless creatures and
deprived of souls.

6. Islam grants woman equal rights to contract, to enterprise, to
earn and possess independently. Her life, her property, her honor are
as sacred as those of man. If she commits any offense, her penalty is
no less or more than of man's in a similar case. If she is wronged or
harmed, she gets due compensations equal to what a man in her position
would get (2:178;4:45, 92-93).

1. Woman is recognized by Islam as a full and equal partner of man in
the procreation of humankind. He is the father; she is the mother, and
both are essential for life. Her role is not less vital than his. By
this partnership she has an equal share in every aspect; she is
entitled to equal rights; she undertakes equal responsibilities, and
in her there are as many qualities and as much humanity as there are
in her partner. To this equal partner- ship in the reproduction of
human kind God says:
O mankind! Verily We have created your from a single (pair) of
a male and a female,m and made you into nations and tribes
that you may know each other... (Qur'an, 49:13; cf. 4:1).

2. She is equal to man in bearing personal and common responsi-
bilities and in receiving rewards for her deeds. She is acknowledged
as an independent personality, in possession of human qualities and
worthy of spiritual aspirations. Her human nature is neither inferior
to nor deviant from that of man. Both are members of one another. God
says:
And their Lord has accepted (their prayers) and answered them
(saying): 'Never will I cause to be lost the work of any of
you, be he male or female; you are members, one of another...
(3:195; cf 9:71;33:35-36;66:19-21).
"
 
Ebony said:
Western wife beating is " unspiritual and unholy"? Assuming that you mean Christianity when you say this ( you didn't specify). Where in the Bible does it say a man can't hit his wife?
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The bible is very ''peaceful'', it does not advocate beating the wife but KILLING her:

Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal."

Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt to kill him.

Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt with her in order for us to kill her.

Hmmm, very interesting !!!! Don't Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus 20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to death whenever an opportunity presents itself?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."

One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why should the wife who is trying to save her husband from brutal beating by another man get both her hands cut off? and why should we not have any mercy on her? Does this sound inspired from God to you? Be honest with yourself.

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

Why a priests daughter be burnt in fire just because her father is a priest if she decides to act like a whore? Is this fair? Should it make a difference whether or not a girl's father is a priest or not?

Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (from the Catholics Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.

Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than 75% of the Christians population throughout the world. Why should the Bible give stupid (with all respect to you) generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
 
James R said:
So, are you saying that the Quran denies women basic rights of equality, Proud_Muslim. What a wonderfully enlightened picture of Islam you paint.
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Where did I say that ????????? have you been smoking some :m: lately ?

:rolleyes:
 
Proud_Muslim said:
Where did I say that :rolleyes:
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You don't need to say it PM Allah said it for you here is a fraction of your equality Pakman.

“ Quran:
[4:34] Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has
preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have
expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient,
guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be
rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If
they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high,
All-great.



Quran:
[4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the
orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye
fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only
one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more
suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

[4:15] If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of
four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they
testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain
for them some (other) way. ”




“ Sahih Bukhari
Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of
a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the
deficiency of a woman's mind."

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I
have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you
(women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for
it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to
your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and
religion than you.. ”





“ And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree over them..." Quran Surah 2:228 ”



“ Quran:
[2.282] O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting
a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it
down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to
write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes
the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his
Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is
unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate
himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness
from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then
one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses,
so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the
other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and
be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the
time of its falling due; ”




“ Abu Dawud
Book 11, Number 2142:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why
he beat his wife. ”




“ As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, Admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them,..." Quran Surah 4:34 ”




“ Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said,
"Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in
front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women)
dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between
him and the Qibla Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip
away. for I disliked to face him."

Abu Dawud
Book 11, Number 2155:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If one of you marries a woman or
buys a slave, he should say: "O Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her,
and in the disposition Thou hast given her; I take refuge in Thee from
the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her." When he
buys a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the
same kind of thing.
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Islam's Wife-Beating

On January 14, 2004, Sheikh Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, the imam of the mosque of the city of Fuengirola, Costa del Sol, was sentenced by a Barcelona court to a 15 month suspended sentence and fined € 2160 for publishing his book 'The Woman in Islam.' In this book, the Egyptian-born Sheikh Mustafa writes, among other things, on wife-beating in accordance with Shar'ia law.
 
Each and every Muslim has rather unfairly been caste as a representative of his or her faith, and his or her behavior is immediately a reflection of Islam, not of the Muslim as a human individual
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He says that without seeing the irony in the fact his name is 'proud muslim'.
You don't want to be seen as individuals, you reference allah and islam in every thing you do. You urge the world to see you as a unit rather than individuals.
Its seen as a reflection of islam when a muslim does something because he will invariably be screaming 'praise allah' as he does it. You act like cultist zombies so we assume thats what you want to be seen as.
 
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