Islam vs. the Western World: off-topic posts from a Religion thread

Why don't you? It's historical fact that black slaves existed in Arabia, and later, the Ottoman Empire. It's a fact that many citizens in the Middle-East can trace their ancestry back to black slaves who were taken from Africa. It's a fact that Westerners purchased black slaves from Arab slave traders. Jesus Christ, you really are desparate, clutching at any thread to try and revise history.

I've already answered this in a discussion with Bells. Slaves were not unpaid labour in the Muslim world, they were viziers, ministers, generals, they were elite army corps and they could buy their own freedom. The children of slaves were not slaves. Comparing western slavery to slavery by the Arabs and Ottomans is like comparing sweat shops to a corporate job.
 
Blacks do exist in Arabia, even today. The famous companion of the Prophet and the honored muezzin was Hazrat Bilal al-Rabah (he was beaten by his pagan Arab slave-master because he was one of the first Muslims, he would lay him underneath the sun with a giant boulder on his abdomen), the wife of Hazrat Yasser was an African women named Hazrat Sumayya, incidentally she was the first martyr of Islam, tortured to death with her husband by the pagans of Makkah in front of her son's eyes, who was forced to watch the murder of his parents. The people of Oman are half-black, half-Arab. At one point in time they occupied parts of southern Pakistan and southern Iran as well. The Eastern coast of Africa has had extensive links to southern Arabia and southwestern Asia, the Makrani people of Pakistan are of African heritage.

Islam promotes brotherhood among man, this is why the great civil rights leader Malcolm X accepted Islam after his pilgrimage to Makkah. This is also the reason why many African Americans become Muslim in America. They see it as a way out of the cycle of racial animosity in American society.
 
Will the Islamic states apologize for their slavery atrocities, as well?

Of course not! Because Islamic states didn't enslave Africans, or didn't enslave nearly as many as the West, or *insert some other bullshit excuse*.

It's mind boggling how the 'The West' (whatever the fuck 'The West' is) has the atrocities it committed over the past 1000 years continually rubbed in its face while liberals jack their dicks in glee, but the moment someone dares to criticise the current or past behaviour of Muslims, everyone shits themselves in horror.

OMFG ISLAMOPHOBE! TAKE TO THE HILLS COMRADES!
 
Lets just say that Muslim states are occupied by resident natives and blacks do not need a different language, different music and pants at their knees to feel part of the population.
 
Comparing western slavery to slavery by the Arabs and Ottomans is like comparing sweat shops to a corporate job.

The Islamic propagandist speaks out and rationalizes Islamic slavery.

"Our slaves are treated better than your slaves."

Hilarious. Sam must really believe we're all complete loonies.
 
A corporate job equals a sweat shop. Because they are both slaves to the system.Duh.

The Caliph wore the Jannisary uniform and stood in line with them to get paid. <---omfg! Ottoman slavery!!!! :runaway:

The bones of 200 slaves worked to death were discovered in New York <--- western slavery :yawn:
 
A corporate job equals a sweat shop. Because they are both slaves to the system.Duh.

The Caliph wore the Jannisary uniform and stood in line with them to get paid.

Further rationalizations for slavery by the Islamic propagandist.

"We pay our slaves a fair wage."

**but, we take away their right to be free men, humiliating them beyond reproach by adding insult to injury**
 
I've already answered this in a discussion with Bells. Slaves were not unpaid labour in the Muslim world, they were viziers, ministers, generals, they were elite army corps and they could buy their own freedom.

They were taken against their will, via force, from their homeland. Then they were then forced to work in the profession of their master's choosing. And while you paint a very rosy picture of the fate of slaves in the Middle-East, the fact is that the majority got assigned shitty tasks and could be mistreated with impunity. While there are verses in the Koran which speak against mistreating slaves, the fact is that they were often taken with a grain of salt.

The children of slaves were not slaves.

Hooray! :rolleyes:

Comparing western slavery to slavery by the Arabs and Ottomans is like comparing sweat shops to a corporate job.

Some blacks had it good on the plantations. They exercising a significant amount of authority and lived in luxury. Guess slavery in the West wasn't that bad after all! :D
 
SAM said: The bones of 200 slaves worked to death were discovered in New York <--- western slavery

you know they were worked to death? some tales your weaving today. they died of old age. the thing is that they all stayed in U.S after they were free. People leave when it is real bad...which we have seen throughout history plus the U.S was only a nation for 50 years before it abolished slavery. You are also aware that all kinds of people have been slaves and all colors of people too.
 
Oppressed Ottoman Mamluke slave

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Oppressed western slave

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Slavery is no longer slavery, once you get paid and have a choice of your future. POWs captured in war had several choices, unlike in the West where they were resigned to live perpetually as slaves.

The law provided slaves with virtually no protection from their masters. On large plantations this power was delegated to overseers. These men were under considerable pressure from the plantation owners to maximize profits. They did this by bullying the slaves into increasing productivity. The punishments used against slaves judged to be under-performing included the use of the whip. Sometimes slave-owners resorted to mutilating and branding their slaves.

Some punishments were associated with certain areas. According to William Wells Brown, slaveowners in Virginia smoked slaves. This involved whipping slaves and putting them in a tobacco smoke-house." Moses Roper claimed that in South Carolina they used to "drive nails into a hogshead so as to leave the point of the nail just protruding in the inside of the cask. Into this he used to put his slaves for punishment, and roll them down a very long and steep hill."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASpunishments.htm

A lot of slave owners felt free to punish their slaves whenever they did the littlest things, such as sweeping the floor wrong. Punishments were whipping (often 50 to 100 lashes), branding, ducking under water, getting put in stocks, slapping, kicking, tarring and feathering, and tying up. Run away slaves were chased by dogs, and when caught, were hit with paddles or whips or got a body part such as an ear cut off. Some slaves even died from these punishments. These punishments originated in England. No punishment was too harsh or too mean. These punishments were done even after it was against the law in the United States. However, the worst punishment for many slaves were to be sold away from their family.

http://library.thinkquest.org/5643/sppe.htm
 
Oppressed Ottoman Mamluke slave


Oppressed western slave

The Islamic propagandist continues to justify Islamic slavery with pictures. Let's not mention the fact one of pictures is a drawn cartoon and may not have anything to do with slavery.

Shhhhh...
 
Slavery is no longer slavery, once you get paid and have a choice of your future. POWs captured in war had several choices, unlike in the West where they were resigned to live perpetually as slaves.

POW's have no choices as they become Islamic slaves. Stop lying.
 
SAM said: The bones of 200 slaves worked to death were discovered in New York <--- western slavery

you know they were worked to death? some tales your weaving today. they died of old age. the thing is that they all stayed in U.S after they were free. People leave when it is real bad...which we have seen throughout history plus the U.S was only a nation for 50 years before it abolished slavery. You are also aware that all kinds of people have been slaves and all colors of people too.

The African cemeteries in the Wall Street area were buried long ago when surrounding hills were flattened and the soil deposited there as foundation for buildings that now serve as a major nerve center of the world economy. It is believed that there are as many as 20,000 slavery-era Africans in graves under the constellation of buildings in lower Manhattan.

Manhattan Island had a population of enslaved Africans almost from the very beginning of settlement in 1624. The findings of scientists examining the graves show that enslaved Africans lived agonizing lives. They were overworked and underfed. Many died young. The average life expectancy of Africans of that era was 37 years.

http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/8186/



Many might remember that the African Burial Ground came to light when the federal government discovered human remains during the construction of a half-billion dollar office tower in Lower Manhattan. Work was halted, and state, federal and local agencies, as well as concerned citizens and civic groups, debated what how to proceed. The status and proper course of action on the site was extremely disputed. Eventually, despite the request of some that the entire site be preserved, work continued on the office building but the plans were modified and a small portion of the original burial site was preserved. It is estimated that the remains of 22,000 people are buried there. The removal of 400 remains and thousands of artifacts for study was controversial, but resulted in anthropological evidence of malnutrition and overwork in the slave population.
The burial ground was well known to an earlier generation of New Yorkers. In the 18th century, at times almost 20 percent of the city's residents were African-Americans, the overwhelming majority slaves. As many as half the farming households outside the city owned slaves, a higher percentage than in most Southern states. Two major slave rebellions occurred in the state in the 18th century, and the one in 1741 resulted in the torture and execution of about 20 alleged ring leaders, several by dismemberment and burning. Their bones were most likely put in the African Burial Ground.

http://www.rpa.org/2003/10/spotligh...g-bones-and-uncovering-a-painful-history.html


Now compare that to:
In 1206 the mamluk commander of the Muslim forces in India, Qutb-ud-din Aybak, proclaimed himself sultan, becoming in effect the first independent Sultan-e-Hind. This Mamluk dynasty lasted until 1290.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
 
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If you haven't seen the movie Amistad, you must watch it. It is a must see to understand slavery and the gruesome condition on Atlantic slave ships.

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How can anyone possibly tell if someone was malnourished or overworked from 200+ year old bones? Sure they worked in the fields but like i said children and adults are enslaved to this day. Not in U.S.

After they were free (50 years after U.S abolished slavery) they all stayed in U.S too. But the whole U.S is different from even 100 years ago.
 
I'll take a sample size of one slave who proclaimed himself sultan over his Western troops in the west.
 
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