Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?

Your post is not about science, paddoboy (again). Why is that? Don't you know any? Just because this is in pseudoscience now is no excuse. Show us your stuff, if you really have any, that is.
And neither were your's.
Oh, and a quick reminder since you obviously need it. I have as yet to mention any reference with regards to Thorne in conjunction with "Interstellar".
I have focused on your total inane fanatical outbusts with regards to Thorne and Thorne alone.
The other is afterall only a movie.
What does the inverse square law mean to you? Look it up, if you need to.
Like my other friend rajesh, your condescending attitude actually reflects on yourself and your protectionist persona for our alternative hypothesis pusher friends.
I don't believe you are a crank yet, but if you keep coming back with issues like the quality of jcc's posts just a few more dozen times, I may change my opinion. I get it; you don't like jcc. And I don't care. I don't like Kip Thorne, and evidently, you do. So, what?
What you believe is neither here nor there and makes no difference to me.
The quality of jcc's posts is of course supported by his continual banning and the democratic opinion all others here have of him, evidenced quite obviously by his own posts.
You failing to recognise that, again reflects only on you and your obsession with protecting the poor alternative underdog.
The reputable standing of Thorne in the community and his contribution to cosmology also reflects negatively on your opposing view, and your own rather
inconspicuous position in the same scientific community.
Perhaps now in retaliation you'll post another diatribe rant on the evils of Kip Thorne and the audacity he shows by commenting and proposing speculative scenarios on what the laws of physics and GR allow.
 
But why not electron fall proton? Any science minds answer? Why not light be is atoms gravity wave?

You're really not certain?
That kind of post happens all the time on physforum, Daecon. Usually, it's someone from the third world (Romania, Albania or Pakistan) whose command of English is not very good. It's no crime. Some of them have worthwhile things to say about the science they understand if you give them a chance. It improves their technical and scientific fluency and prepares them better for a career in spamming, data mining, phishing or whatever.

On the other hand, if you're paddoboy or brucep, both of whom hail from down under, not so much. You haven't noticed, they post a lot of science that is easy to find with search engines, but if you ask them a simple reading comprehension or science related question about any of the content they post, they are lost. You get responses like: you're a crank, you're illiterate, etc. They do it again and again, and not just in response to my posts. Google scholars, no doubt. No wonder they are so touchy about someone like Thorne. They probably aspire to be just like him some day. I wish them both the best of luck in that endeavor. Same as the future spammers of the internet.

On very rare occasions, their posts have been helpful to me, so I'm willing to extend to them the same benefit of the doubt. At least, I can usually tell one from the other. Even the Bogdanovich brothers were somewhat entertaining, featured in a P.T. Barnum prosthetic surrogate freakshow for instance. Most biological twins don't try to differentiate their appearances quite that much.

As far as I can tell, jcc is not the problem. A cyberbully always needs a victim, just like any other kind of dysfunctional relationship in life. jcc is just the victim du jour in the last few threads. My advice to him is not to worry too much about such responses, and mainly, don't feed the trolls or especially their oversized egos.
 
And the ranting continues. :)
Again, What you believe is neither here nor there and makes no difference to me.
The quality of jcc's posts is of course supported by his continual banning and the democratic opinion all others here have of him, evidenced quite obviously by his own posts.
You failing to recognise that, again reflects only on you and your obsession with protecting the poor alternative underdog.
The reputable standing of Thorne in the community and his contribution to cosmology also reflects negatively on your opposing view, and your own rather
inconspicuous position in the same scientific community.
Perhaps now in retaliation you'll post another diatribe rant on the evils of Kip Thorne and the audacity he shows by commenting and proposing speculative scenarios on what the laws of physics and GR allow.
Seems my prediction in bold was spot on.
We may even get some more frothing at the mouth! :)
 
And the ranting continues. :)
Again, What you believe is neither here nor there and makes no difference to me.
The quality of jcc's posts is of course supported by his continual banning and the democratic opinion all others here have of him, evidenced quite obviously by his own posts.
You failing to recognise that, again reflects only on you and your obsession with protecting the poor alternative underdog.
The reputable standing of Thorne in the community and his contribution to cosmology also reflects negatively on your opposing view, and your own rather
inconspicuous position in the same scientific community.
Perhaps now in retaliation you'll post another diatribe rant on the evils of Kip Thorne and the audacity he shows by commenting and proposing speculative scenarios on what the laws of physics and GR allow.
Seems my prediction in bold was spot on.
We may even get some more frothing at the mouth! :)
And we should care about your 'prediction' because...?

Your reputable status is not in danger here, because you don't have any.

And once again, you are off topic by a wide margin. Why do you not tire of this? Have you nothing original to offer about gravity waves? Post something by Thorne if you like. I'm done berating him.
 
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And we should care about your 'prediction' because...?
I'm not making any predictions. I'm stating obvious and accepted fact re jcc and Kip Thorne.
Your reputable status is not in danger here, because you don't have any.
I am well aware of my status, and have alluded to it many times.
And once again, you are off topic by a wide margin. Why do you not tire of this? Have you nothing original to offer about gravity waves? Post something by Thorne if you like. I'm done berating him.
Not at all. My post was a comment on your post.
I've said plenty about gravity waves and the pseudoscience expressed by jcc in confusing them with light.
Done berating Thorne? I'm sure now he'll breath a sigh of relief, :rolleyes:
 
thanks for all the answers. most answers i don't understand, the rest i don't agree. no way i am trolling.
Isn't someone who does not understand most answers, but disagrees with the ones they do understand, by definition, a troll?
 
jcc:

are you sure? science has to be sure.
No. Scientific theories are always provisional. If new evidence comes to light, or a new theory that better fits the evidence, then science changes. Science is about what works best, not about being sure.

Having said that, there is a LOT of science that we're very very confident about.

if heat and light from the sun are gravitation waves produces by hot gasses, aren't we feel/see it all the time? why you say gravitation waves is not detectable?
Heat and light are electromagnetic waves, not gravitational waves. Gravitational waves are generally very weak. Efforts are currently underway to try to detect them, but the kinds of sources that are expected to be detected first are very large objects such as stars and black holes.

are the atoms of the hot gasses on the sun vibrating?
Mostly not. They just zip around a lot and collide with one another. Like I said, the sun doesn't have many atoms; it's mostly plasma.

are they produce gravitation waves?
Yes they do, but very weak ones.

is the energy of the gravitation wave proportional to its frequency?
I'm not sure, but I don't think so.

where that energy goes/becomes?
It spreads through space on the waves. To be detectable, some of it must be absorbed by a detector of some kind.

when mass/atom is vibrating, does it produce gravitational waves?
Yes, but a single atom's gravitational waves would carry so little energy we couldn't hope to detect them.

any m1 and m2 at r distance, there is gravitation force f=G x m1m2/r^2.
Approximately. That's Newton's law of gravity. Gravitational waves are an effect described by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

if m1 vibrates in m12 direction at n times per second, it sends f x n gravitational force pauses per second to m2.
Yes.

where is that energy go? heat? light? nothing? isn't energy conserve?
Some of it passes by m2 and out into space. Some of it may be absorbed by m2 under appropriate conditions. Heat and light are not gravitational phenomena. Gravitational waves don't have anything to do with heat or light, although I suppose that in principle a gravitational wave could cause slight heating when it passes through an object. Energy is, indeed, conserved.

can hot/exited/vibrating atoms produce gravitational waves?
Yes. Didn't you ask that earlier? Why do you keep repeating yourself?

is each of the hot atoms in/of the sun producing gravitational waves?
Not in general, not all the time, no.

seems without emitting photon or em wave, exited atoms able to transfer energy by produce gravitational waves?
What to girl when the get drunk?
 
James,

Thank you very much for the detailed answers.

1 atom's mass is small, but times 10^14, times the number of atoms on the sun, that energy is huge.

i find a way to prove gravitational radiation is em radiation, will start a new thread called double laser experiment.

please check it out.
 
The only thing you've proven is that not only do you STILL not understand, you deliberately refuse to understand.
 
I was actually a big fan of Kip Thorne (25 years ago) until I read that wikipedia article about threading a non-traversible wormhole with negative energy exotic matter in order to make it traversable. It just totally tore it for me; his credibility was replaced by one of his traversable wormholes.

So that I don't come off sounding like Louis Savain (who hates basically everyone in physics), I'm going to go out on a limb and list the physicists and physics texts for whom /which I have a great deal of respect and admiration, in no particular order:

Galileo (managed to work out t^2 dependence of gravity acceleration)
Isaac Newton (obviously)
Mendeleev (periodic table of the elements- at first not so popular, but excelled in an area Newton had no clue about)
Niels Bohr (sometimes abrasive, but effective physics style)
Albert Einstein (almost always right; the genuine article)
Kurt Gödel (many viewed him as a one trick pony, without too many variations on his most famous work, but it was a very good one)
Enrico Fermi (in many ways, a man far ahead of his time)
Emmy Noether (identified conservation laws associated with gauge theory and Lagrangian / Hamiltonian dynamics)
Paul Dirac (brilliant and edgy, not afraid to go where no theorist has gone before)
Resnick and Halliday (college physics textbook for decades)
Thomas, Calculus and Analytic Geometry, any edition (vector calculus textbook for decades)
Edward M. Purcell (Nobel Laureate for MRI technology, author of Berkely Physics Vol II- Electricity and Magnetism)
Any other 20th century Nobel Laureate for physics, and there are a lot of those too numerous to name
John D. Nolan (university of Pittsburg)
Richard Feynman (I have all of his lecture series books, and an audio book with several recorded lectures which I treasure)
Wolfgang Pauli (brilliant, but could not seem to get along with a lot of his colleagues)
Wilhelm Röntgen (the identification of the atomic nucleus with crude equipment)
Nikola Tesla (a better man than Edison ever was, and was kind to animals, especially pigeons)
Max Planck (needs no explanation)
Werner Heisenberg (uncertainty principle genius)
Robert Townsend (laser optics pioneer)
Carroll O. Alley (first aircraft/atomic clock verification of GR, now key to GPS-- almost my physics mentor)
Arthur C. Clarke (invented geostationary satellites, launched my engineering career doing Intelsat R&D)
Bill Phillips (NIST, atomic clocks)
Any physicist associated even peripherally with the Large Hadron Collider, which includes our own rpenner
Carl Sagan (needs no intro, and the ONLY cosmologist other than Einstein on this list)
Claude Shannon (information theory)
Stephen Hawking (needs no intro)
Roger Penrose (occasionally wrong, but so what?)
Phillip Morris (diminuative physicist of the 1970s)
Vera Rubin (astrophysicst, friend of a number of close friends)
Neil De Grasse Tyson (needs no intro)
Bill Nye (undeniably belongs here)
Michau Kaku (my kind of physics nut ball)
Ray Davis (early neutrino detector, Nobel Laureate, friend of a friend)
Sean Carroll (even though badly influenced by Kip Thorne, is still a first-rate physicist from Cal Tech)
Bolzman (thermodynamics/entropy pioneer)
Irwin Schrödinger (didn't deserve the grilling Bohr afforded him)
John Archibald Wheeler (together with Taylor, authored 'Spacetime Physics', one of my favorite supplemental relativity textbooks from college.
Minkowski (because no one should be on the "bad" list for making what could have been an honest misapplied math mistake)
George Gamow (1, 2, 3, Infinity)
Martin Gardner (Scientific American)
Douglas Hofstadter (Gödel, Escher, Bach, the Eternal Gold Braid, Scientific American)
Jearl Walker (Flying Circus of Physics, Scientific American)


And my much shorter (but growing) list of "no, gracias" physics cranks;

David de Hilster ('Autodynamics lunatic - relativity with only ONE observer)
Louis Savain (anti-physics curmudgeon from Usenet)
Archemedes Plutonium (restaurant bus boy at Stanford in the early days of Usenet pretending to be a physics guru)
John Doan (endless internet rant about the twin paradox in the internet)
Anyone or anything associated with Metapedia (Neo-Nazi version of Wikipedia, Internet central Einstein haters club)
Anyone or anything that suggests Einstein was wrong about his SINGLE assumption to create relativity.
Kip Thorne (don't get me started)
Edward Witten (so honored for string 'M' theory arrived at by means of committee consensus)
Brian Greene (should have stuck with a sequel to "Last Mimsy" rather than embarrass himself on PBS.)
The Bogdanovich Brothers (switched from cosmology to Botox, but their paper, although trash, was never actually refuted by means of science peer review).
No one on Sciforums so far.

what could those people find here? you should know better.
 
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