Naw, just kill Moses, save a lot more people.How about a twist on the dilemma.
If we were able to time travel, and went back into the past, would one be justified in killing Hitler, say when he was a baby? Or perhaps Idi Amin?
Naw, just kill Moses, save a lot more people.How about a twist on the dilemma.
If we were able to time travel, and went back into the past, would one be justified in killing Hitler, say when he was a baby? Or perhaps Idi Amin?
Doesn't that offer one of those time paradoxes? Where would the world be had Hitler not played a role? Again, had he been accepted into the Art Institute in Vienna, things would have been much different, possibly.
no - Martin was watched or followed, perhaps, because of his skin colour, but not shot because of it: he was shot because he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the pavementTrayvon Martin
again, noMichael Brown
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdfBrown then grabbed the weapon and struggled with Wilson to gain
control of it. Wilson fired, striking Brown in the hand. Autopsy results and bullet trajectory, skin from Brown’s palm on the out side of the SUV door as well as Brown’s DNA on the inside of the driver’s door corroborate Wilson’s account that during the struggle, Brown used his right hand to grab and attempt to control Wilson’s gun.
WOW! this guy wasn't even shot! he was chokedEric Garner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#BackgroundGarner had been arrested by the NYPD more than thirty times since 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny
another false claim: see evidence aboveIn all three cases, a criterion of "threat" was their dark skin.
false claim: the actions of the people made them a threat because they decided that there was no authority they should be limited byThe race of the victim did, in those three cases, make it legal.
considering the bulging populace and the overworked police departments, sh*t will eventually happen, and it will be badYou can add Philando Castile, and probably a dozen others over the past couple of years alone, to the list.
maybe because you are only reading the opinions of those who are anti-gun on those topics?Why even post that? What's your point?
and you can provide empirical evindece that isn't just your opinion supporting this one?And so is the two-bit white supremacist cop who shot him, and the two-bit white supremacist prosecutor who tanked the grand jury investigation. Seriously, when the State goes out of its way to make sure you get away with it, the State makes its point.
ElectricFetusThe assault on self proclaimed "white nationalist" Richard Sponsor has caused the rise of an ethical question on Facebook and twitter about if it is acceptable to use violence on anyone labeled or simply is a "nazi".
Legal no it is wrong to attack anyone for spouting what ever they spout, or to attack them for claims against them, only police and a court of law my beat, imprison and even execute someone legally.
But morally is it ok?
No, he wasn't. Not initially. He was accosting teenagers for walking in the road instead of on the sidewalk.the police officer (Wilson) was responding to a robbery and assault
That's not what happened, and not why they were shot.false claim: the actions of the people made them a threat because they decided that there was no authority they should be limited by
That's not true - wildly not true, in my case.maybe because you are only reading the opinions of those who are anti-gun on those topics?
It doesn't happen like this to white people.considering the bulging populace and the overworked police departments, sh*t will eventually happen, and it will be bad
He was profiled, followed, chased, and accosted in the dark on the public street - which is assault - because he was black. The shooter threatened him, started a fight with him, and shot him in the course of the fight - if you believe him: that's the best version possible. So we have an assault that ends in the victim of the assault being shot by the perpetrator of the assault, the entire assault being motivated by the victim's being black.either way, it is a blatant false claim to state Martin was shot because of his skin colour. you can say he was suspected or profiled, and followed... but not shot because of it.
As opposed to your opinion that these victims deserved to be shot because they were thugs - suppose you provide empirical evidence for that: people deserving to be shot because they were thugs.and you can provide empirical evindece that isn't just your opinion supporting this one?
I have nowhere "defended the criminal as being right". In only one of the cases was any "criminal" involved, and in that case the criminal was wrong to be a criminal according to me.especially since it is requested and you are attempting to defend the criminal as being right in three known cases that have been investigated and the evidence proved you wrong
no - Martin was watched or followed, perhaps, because of his skin colour, but not shot because of it: he was shot because he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the pavement
you can read that in the first paragraph of the wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
or you can actually read the detailed accounts and evidence found in court transcripts
either way, it is a blatant false claim to state Martin was shot because of his skin colour. you can say he was suspected or profiled, and followed... but not shot because of it.
and you can provide empirical evindece that isn't just your opinion supporting this one?
i will accept DOJ documentation, evidence from investigators and Prosecution Discovery documentation if you have it...
thanks...
citation?No, he wasn't. Not initially.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdfAs a result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a “stealing in progress.” The dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101.
then prove it with something other than opinionThat's not what happened, and not why they were shot
then please list the citationsThat's not true - wildly not true, in my case.
it is not relevant to the OP, but it is relevant to the post that i replied to, and as such relevantAnd it's not relevant - nothing about "guns" in involved in that irrelevant digression.
So try again.
then you will be able to support your comments with either VICAP or similar DOJ documentation that tracks violent crime statisticsIt doesn't happen like this to white people.
this one was either a serious accident or simply a matter of stupidity and wrongdoing on the cops part, but as i can't actually access the DOJ stat's or some non-subjective legal documentation on this topic with evidenciary value then i can't (won't) comment further.In the case of Castile, which you were specifically addressing,
not sure it even is a legal shooting as i can't read the evidence as yet... and if it is being tried then there will be limits to discovery or FOIAThe case has not been tried, actually, so it's not a good example of a "legal" shooting.
well, i don't believe anyone, just FYIHe was profiled, followed, chased, and accosted in the dark on the public street - which is assault - because he was black. The shooter threatened him, started a fight with him, and shot him in the course of the fight - if you believe him:
and again, noThat was held to be legal. That's legally shooting someone because they are black.
where did i state that this was my opinion?As opposed to your opinion that these victims deserved to be shot because they were thugs
first prove i stated that thugs deserved to be shot- suppose you provide empirical evidence for that: people deserving to be shot because they were thugs.
lets try that again... i statedI have nowhere "defended the criminal as being right".
you are attempting to defend the criminal as being right in three known cases that have been investigated and the evidence proved you wrong
standing his ground is not the same as battery. the police were called and the situation could have been resolved without gunfire had there not been a physical confrontation, correct?Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground against the armed stalker who was harassing him for his skin color.
where did i ever state they couldn't defend themselves?I don't know why so many people think blacks aren't allowed to defend themselves, but some manner of explanation for this absurdly racist recurring outcome nigh on American heritage would be appreciated.
so... you don't have a citation then?You want law enforcement known to participate in a racket to document the racket for you so
and again... where is the evidence?Honestly, when they have to lie to the grand jury in order to protect the white cop who shot the black guy, it's pretty damn clear what's going on.
Naw, just kill Moses, save a lot more people.
Chinese is a citizenship. So is Korean. You could claim to be either of these by "ethnicity" or "race" if you like. But then you'd be confusing what most people consider as race with national identity. You can claim to verify Asian. That's fine. No one can say you're not and prove it. Try it.Wow.
Ok, I'm backing away slowly and carefully, and everybody here has heard me identify myself as Asian, right? The most harmless race - since Korea anyway? So nothing to worry about, just little 'ol Chinese me exiting the premises - - (don't worry, it's back to competent whititude when I'm driving).
Because man o' man, this faction the Republicans have been breeding in the media lowlands is something else. Talk about draining the swamp? DC ain't the half of it.
only if you don't know how cause and effect work. if a than b if b than c if c than d a therefore d. the only reason the incident happened was because he was black, and trying to defend himself, so yeah martin was shot because he was black.no - Martin was watched or followed, perhaps, because of his skin colour, but not shot because of it: he was shot because he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the pavement
you can read that in the first paragraph of the wiki page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
or you can actually read the detailed accounts and evidence found in court transcripts
either way, it is a blatant false claim to state Martin was shot because of his skin colour. you can say he was suspected or profiled, and followed... but not shot because of it.
So what? There would be no Christians, Muslims, or Jews, all the religions making so much trouble in the world.Your culture would not exist
so, you're saying that if he was white he wouldn't have been shot?only if you don't know how cause and effect work. if a than b if b than c if c than d a therefore d.
So what? There would be no Christians, Muslims, or Jews, all the religions making so much trouble in the world.
Religions contribute to the problem.Man always generate problem. Take American native , they were no Christian nor Jewish nor Muslim . yet they had tribal wars.
I mentioned American native because they go back 13000 years with their religion.
Religions contribute to the problem.
typically this was over resources, not religion, as evidenced by the sharing of many aspects of religious culture between the US plains indian tribes (like: Pipe ceremonies, Sun Dances, Ghost dance, etc)Take American native , they were no Christian nor Jewish nor Muslim . yet they had tribal wars
misleading: some do, but others are malleable and dependent upon only certain thingsI mentioned American native because they go back 13000 years with their religion
Absolutely 100% trueReligions contribute to the problem.
about this...I will agree if you say different opinion, because religion is a different opinion, such as politics or a different sport team