exchemist
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No but you were the idiot who suggested that the term might imply something to do with consciousness.Did I invent the term half-life of an isotope?
No but you were the idiot who suggested that the term might imply something to do with consciousness.Did I invent the term half-life of an isotope?
It was pointed out to you that this is not a logical.Roger Penrose believes sentience begins at quantum scale, which would make the universe at least semi sentient, or pseudo intelligent.
Wrong! If Penrose was 100% correct it says NOTHING about the universe being sentient.Yes, a logical conclusion drawn if Penrose is correct.
No, I implied Roger Penrose suggested it has something to do with consciousness.No but you were the idiot who suggested that the term might imply something to do with consciousness.
No, that would mean that many chemical processes may result in a form of non-conscious physical sentience and pseudo intelligence. And in living organisms "conscious sentient intelligence".You wrote:
W4U said,
Roger Penrose believes sentience begins at quantum scale, which would make the universe at least semi sentient, or pseudo intelligent.It was pointed out to you that this is not a logical conclusion. Instead of listening to the points that were made you doubled down with this:Write4U said:
Yes, a logical conclusion drawn if Penrose is correct.Wrong! If Penrose was 100% correct it says NOTHING about the universe being sentient.
Look at this: It is positively known that chemical process are a requirement of life, chemistry is essential for sentient beings.
According to your logic that would mean that all chemical processes are sentient.
No. It is NOT a logical conclusion.Yes, a logical conclusion drawn if Penrose is correct.
No, what you do is name-drop.I make it a habit of providing more informed supporting papers or examples by known scientists.
Yes, you will.No, I do not. I usually research every word that IMO has significant meaning to my argument. (I do make mistakes). But if I find a term with one or several definitions synonymous with what I want to express, I'll use that.
Yes, it is.If the term itself is obscure in every day application, that is not my fault.
C'mon Dave, everytime anyone cites "mainstream science" they name-drop. It is expressed in "they stand on the shoulders of giants".No, what you do is name-drop.
Let's listen to Mr Penrose in person."Penrose used the word 'sentience', therefore I can use Penrose's name to make up a ridiculous supposition about the universe that has nothing to do with what he said".
Natural mathematical values and functions. The constants dictate the probabilities of survival depending on variables such as quantum superposition, beneficial mutations, and natural selection.I believe that the objective concept of mathematics pertains to "rules governing the universe"
You've nailed it. This is what is so annoying about Write4U. Any thread, on any subject, is wrenched round and hijacked so that he can bore us all, yet again, with this pseudo-mathematical religion of his. The fact that his sermons are also riddled with misconceptions and incorrect use of terminology is the icing on the cake.No, what you do is name-drop.
"Penrose used the word 'sentience', therefore I can use Penrose's name to make up a ridiculous supposition about the universe that has nothing to do with what he said".
Yes, you will.
No matter how damaging your personal desire for expression is to the topic at-hand.
What you're essentially doing is riffing off key words to hijack these threads to talk about your own pet ideas. That's disrespectful.
Yes, it is.
As a thinking brain, it is your job to winnow the noise from the signal. If you can't or won't do that, your contribution is no better than that of a bot.
The signal is the thread-topic. The noise is anything that leads conversation away from thatc.
Bullshit. Penrose will never have suggested half-life suggests atomic nuclei are alive, unless he has gone completely senile. Either support it with a quotation from what he said or withdraw this ludicrous claim.No, I implied Roger Penrose suggested it has something to do with consciousness.
I don't feel qualified to call Penrose an idiot, but if anyone feels they are qualified , have at it.
It's no skin off my back.
Watch the clip and you can hear it from the horse's mouth.Bullshit. Penrose will never have suggested half-life suggests atomic nuclei are alive, unless he has gone completely senile. Either support it with a quotation from what he said or withdraw this ludicrous claim.
Yes.Still wrong?
Watch an hour and a half video to try and find a single quote that you think is important? Not going to happen. Give me a time stamp where he says this important line.Watch the clip and you can hear it from the horse's mouth.
Ok, delight us with your profound insights.You've nailed it. This is what is so annoying about Write4U. Any thread, on any subject, is wrenched round and hijacked so that he can bore us all, yet again, with this pseudo-mathematical religion of his. The fact that his sermons are also riddled with misconceptions and incorrect use of terminology is the icing on the cake.
Here is my profound insight: Someone who thinks inanimate objects are conscious, does not have anything worthwhile to add to a discussion.Ok, delight us with your profound insights.
I doubt that anyone would agree with this. OK, maybe river....But I believe we can all agree that the universe is very efficient at processing information of all kinds.
river
I will stipulate that on second thought I might have said "something to do with sensory experience", a step below consciousness.W4U said,
No, I implied Roger Penrose suggested it has something to do with consciousness.
Why don't you quote me verbatim instead of "putting words in my mouth". Where did I say "Penrose suggested that half-life suggests atomic nuclei are alive".Bullshit. Penrose will never have suggested half-life suggests atomic nuclei are alive, unless he has gone completely senile. Either support it with a quotation from what he said or withdraw this ludicrous claim.
Exactly and that is what prompted Feinman's expression.Erm, you might want to do some more of that "research" into what color charge is, and realize it has nothing to do with color as the word was being used here. In fact, color is an EM phenomenon, and color charge is a strong interaction phenomenon: they are literally related to two different fundamental forces!
The "color charge" of quarks and gluons is completely unrelated to the everyday meaning of color. The term color and the labels red, green, and blue became popular simply because of the loose analogy to the primary colors. Richard Feynman referred to his colleagues as "idiot physicists" for choosing the confusing name...
You said "No, I implied Roger Penrose suggested it has something to do with consciousness."I will stipulate that on second thought I might have said "something to do with sensory experience", a step below consciousness.
Why don't you quote me verbatim instead of "putting words in my mouth". Where did I say "Penrose suggested that half-life suggests atomic nuclei are alive".
Why should I withdraw a claim I never made?