Is it wrong to have sex for fun, knowing it might possibly lead to an abortion?

[Musika]

Well SetiAlpha6 made a comment that seemed to associate the soul with the brain, that’s why I was interested in his take on the question. Since the brain is the instrument of human experience, wouldn’t it be logical to assume that it would be essential to the existence of a soul?

If the soul is beyond the purview of the natural sciences, then no, it wouldn't be logical .... actually it would be the other way around, namely the soul would be essential to the existence of the (functioning) brain.

 

[iceaura]

If the soul is beyond the purview of the natural sciences, then no, it wouldn't be logical .... actually it would be the other way around, namely the soul would be essential to the existence of the (functioning) brain.

And so the question would be a natural and sensible one, to smoke out what's going on.

 

[Write4U]

If something is claimed to be outside the jurisdiction of natural science, asking q's about how to categorize the claim with natural science become moot.

Not if it addresses your concept of reality, no? It's an effort to communicate despite the obvious obstacle that you have placed in the way of science, by claiming a supernatural God in the first place.

 

[Musika]

Not if it addresses your concept of reality, no? It's an effort to communicate despite the obvious obstacle that you have placed in the way of science, by claiming a supernatural God in the first place.

You talk as if your preferred "concept of reality" is bereft of obvious concomitant problems that feed off your claims.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Watch the Robert Hazen presentation on how life began on earth, where the probabilistic speculation is not if it is possible that sentient life can evolve, but if different forms of life may have evolved in several individual places at individual times. With a very high probability that life exists elsewhere in universe.

I will, where can I find that?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Where is it in the human body that the soul resides? Is it a specific location, such as the cerebrum of the brain? Or does it inhabit the entire body?

I don’t know the answer to that. Wish I could tell you but I can’t.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

My point, which you are trying to dodge, is the inherent hypocrisy behind your arguments in this thread.

For example, you prattle on about how God loves all his children, and you then repeatedly accuse women of murdering their "children" when they have abortions. But you dismiss and ignore the murders of actual children, by God, in the very Bible you keep waving about when preaching repeatedly.

Or when you carry on about how Christianity and/or Jesus is about love, while making derogatory comments about non-Christians.. Particularly women who have abortions.

If you are going to quote scripture, if you are going to use religion as the basis of your argument, then it seems fit that you should answer for all the bad and horrific things in your religious text. God murdering the first born's across Egypt is not taking things out of context. It simply points to you hypocrisy when it comes to women and our bodies.

You embrace a God that orders his angels to murder the first born of anything and everything, but you accuse women who have abortions as apparently being immoral and murdering "children".

I am truly sorry you feel that way.

God does indeed judge evil as He sees fit. No hypocrisy on that one for me. He is the only one who can do this appropriately.

Only God can judge women who have abortions. I can’t. I am only a sinner like you. I leave it in His hands.

That does not mean that I can’t talk about it, with the hope of reducing the slaughter of millions of innocent lives.

I cannot judge anyone, I am not God.

Neither can you judge me.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

God does indeed judge evil as He sees fit. No hypocrisy on that one for me. He is the only one who can do this appropriately.

Only God can judge women who have abortions. I can’t. I am only a sinner like you. I leave it in His hands.

That does not mean that I can’t talk about it, with the hope of reducing the slaughter of millions of lives.

I cannot judge anyone, I am not God.

Neither can you judge me.

You sound like you are part of ISIS.

Are you?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

You sound like you are part of ISIS.

Are you?

No! I dispise, detest ISIS, just as you do!

 

[Beer w/Straw]

No! I dispise, detest ISIS, just as you do!

OK. Sorry I asked.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

OK. Sorry I asked.

No harm, I still love you!

 

[Write4U]

You talk as if your preferred "concept of reality" is bereft of obvious concomitant problems that feed off your claims.

I only claim what is actually known and what that suggests after real tests and observed results, by impartial observers.
Start the lecture @ 25:10.

You claim all that is not known and draw a hard conclusion from your utter speculation of a purely subjective hope.

So which is the more conservative POV?
An increasing library of known facts or a 2000 year old book of pure speculation and unwarranted conclusions?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

The universe doesn't need humans, we are the result of a natural dynamic exponential bio-chemical organic growth function "in the direction of greatest satisfaction" as per bacterial "quorum sensing" .

You do know that a human organism is genetically 1% pure human code and 99% bacterial code, don't you?

See if you can recognize ; "neccessity and sufficiency"........

Thank you so much for posting that video... that is so cool!!!

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I only claim what is actually known and what that suggests after real tests and observed results, by impartial observers.
Start the lecture @ 25:10.

You claim all that is not known and draw a hard conclusion from your utter speculation of a purely subjective hope.

So which is the more conservative POV?
An increasing library of known facts or a 2000 year old book of pure speculation and unwarranted conclusions?

Thanks, watching the whole film now...

 

[sideshowbob]

It is just about relegating the "spiritual" to the psychological .... which just happens to be the path well trodden by atheists.

Steam engines are also on the path trodden by atheists. Y'know why? Because they're real and useful.

 

[sideshowbob]

This is why your ideas are way outside of left field, scientifically speaking.

Funny how an anti-science guy like you is the one who is disagreeing with me then.

 

[Write4U]

I submit; "Sex before marriage is a good thing".

Intimate personal interaction immunizes each partner from any possible bacterial incompatibility. This is of great assistance to procreation, especially before you make irreversible and possibly regrettable decisions for long term environment sharing!

Early sharing and exchanging bacteria helps each partner to assimilate the specific chemical properties of those bacteria and start using them for beneficial purposes.

The whole human bio-organism consists of 1% human DNA and 99% bacterial DNA.
For successful human interaction and procreation it is important that the greater bacterial environment of each individual is not only compatible, but also symbiotic.

I am gaining deep respect for the natural potentials contained in bacteria as a dynamic chemical bio-organism.

This stuff is getting down to the nitty gritty, IMO. Watch this and marvel when contemplating the abilities of bacteria to act in concert with each other.

Bonnie Bassler introduced the term "quorum sensing". (post; #631) and this lecture seems to strengthen her conclusions, from a slightly different perspective.

 

[parmalee]

I cannot judge anyone, I am not God.

Bullshit. You've made plenty of judgements within this thread, about women and about those who don;;t embrace your idiotic brand of "Christianity," or whatever the fuck you call it--"Allah is not great," etc.

Neither can you judge me.

Sure we can--you're a bigot and a misogynist. Also, you are incredibly ignorant and quite stupid--what with this Shroud of Turin bs and all.

 

[SetiAlpha6]

I only claim what is actually known and what that suggests after real tests and observed results, by impartial observers.
Start the lecture @ 25:10.

You claim all that is not known and draw a hard conclusion from your utter speculation of a purely subjective hope.

So which is the more conservative POV?
An increasing library of known facts or a 2000 year old book of pure speculation and unwarranted conclusions?

Very interesting lecture, unless I missed something, he did not provide any empirical proof that life actually did come from non-life, only that it may have.

And I kind of think his approach could also be used to try and show that a Stealth Fighter could create itself, because at the scale of the Earth the probability of the necessary chemical reactions needed, would have likely already occurred for that to happen as well.

So I guess we have to place that and the self creation of many other complex and designed systems (cars, computers, HD Televisions, etc) on the table as well. Why would we even need Designers and Engineers? All of these would be inevitable, through a combination of chance and Deterministic mechanisms. The human body is orders of magnitude beyond any of those in complexity. So all of those should be more likely, since they are relatively simple in design.

Am I being crazy or unfair to this clearly brilliant man?

What did I miss, I could watch it again if you think that would help me understand it better.

It does not appear to me that we are even close to explaining the complexity of life.

What else do you have?

 

[SetiAlpha6]

Bullshit. You've made plenty of judgements within this thread, about women and about those who don;;t embrace your idiotic brand of "Christianity," or whatever the fuck you call it--"Allah is not great," etc.



Sure we can--you're a bigot and a misogynist. Also, you are incredibly ignorant and quite stupid--what with this Shroud of Turin bs and all.

Thank You, for judging me!!!