Part of the test is finding the link.Can you give me a link to a free online IQ test?
Part of the test is finding the link.Can you give me a link to a free online IQ test?
TYes, the potential capacity is sort of genetically determined, though there is no scientific evidence for that,
If you don't care, why were you "arguing" about it before?I don't even care if genes truly determine intelligence.
You are confused here. Man, as your current form in which you walk around in, is the product of genes. The genotype determines the phenotype. The genotype determines the phenotype of the brain. Later this phenotype is adjusted by the process of learning and modification based on input. Some parts are very much reworked. Some hardly at all.All that basically says is that genes determine certain brain matter. That is not my argument. I don't even care if genes truly determine intelligence. My point is that genes are determined by the environment, because man is...and has long been...a product of the environment.
You state that intelligence is inherited here. Whether or not it skips a generation doesn't detract from the point that it is inherited.This point is emphasized further with the fact that inherited traits including intelligence traits skip generations. What part of this simple relationship don't you understand?
Part of the test is finding the link.
Learning does not increase intelligence, only knowledge. Potential is defined by genetics.
LOL. I never gave a crap about genotype, read all my posts carefully; I gave 1 million accounts on the fact that the environment influences the genes. Infact I will give you another now.If you don't care, why were you "arguing" about it before?
Furthermore, if you don't care about that, why are you even "participating" in this thread? That's what this thread is about. Didn't you get the memo?
You are actually making my point here. The fact of the matter is that you can NEVER change the fact that genes are a function of evolution. We did not evolve from bacteria because of genes alone; we did because of the conditions of the environment. If the environment had been constant we won’t all be here today walking and talking erect. Rats also have genes too, why can’t they be like us? I never said genes are not inherited, I said they were inconsistent and inconsistent because the environment is more powerful and influential. It’s like having a president and a governor. Most people would probably see the municipal governor more often, but that doesn’t change the fact that the president can override the governors jurisdiction. Everybody knows you will inherit your mother or fathers eyes, but how bright is another issue, people with sickle cell usually have yellowish eyes. Paying attention to the facts is what scientific knowledge is about, its how to arrive at convincing laws or theories. Gravity is not observed on other planets but that doesn't mean its not a fundamental reason, it doesn't mean body's are NOT subject to space time. Yes, genes are responsible for potential, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. But we know for a scientific fact that genes are a product of evolution, which by the way is a process that never ends, its not discrete. Until there is no single retardation, physically limited, or unusually super smart human, the environment is still very much at large in deciding our fate. A single nut bolt can send a whole transportation bridge collapsing, what part of all this is so hard to understand?You are confused here. Man, as your current form in which you walk around in, is the product of genes. The genotype determines the phenotype. The genotype determines the phenotype of the brain. Later this phenotype is adjusted by the process of learning and modification based on input. Some parts are very much reworked. Some hardly at all.
This genotype evolved due to environmental pressures over time. That doesn't mean that the environment determines your phenotype. That's work of the past. Once you get to a certain developmental stage your brain is reworked by interactions with the environment. In our species more so than in some others, but this does not change the fact that the genotype has a large influence on our brain structure. But also does the learning. To deny either is in my humble opinion not wise.
You state that intelligence is inherited here. Whether or not it skips a generation doesn't detract from the point that it is inherited.
Learning does not increase intelligence, that’s a new one. A good way to spit in the face of your kindergarten teacher, school teacher, and all other influences that helped you come this far. I’ll have to write this one down. I agree potential is defined by genes though, which in turn is defined by socio-cultural environment. This argument is basically a fight between evolution and genes. Have you heard of the human genome project. First of all we are all 99% the same genetically. Scientists can map out genes responsible for virtually process and rearrange them. When the adventures of the Genome project is fully realized, the fascination with genes overriding evolution will be totally and finally buried. You be the judge.Learning does not increase intelligence, only knowledge. Potential is defined by genetics.
Okay, you're going to start with the LOLs now, right? You never gave a crap about genotype? Guy, nobody ever argued that genes are not a function of environment. It's like you're pretending that someone has said, "Genes aren't shaped by environment" And then you're like, "Yes they are! LOL" But here's the thing--nobody said genes aren't a function of the environment! In other words, you're arguing against nobody. You're like one of those crazies who talks to himself on the subway.Chatha said:LOL. I never gave a crap about genotype, read all my posts carefully; I gave 1 million accounts on the fact that the environment influences the genes. Infact I will give you another now.
In conclusion, the fascination of genetics is pointless. As we go on into the future and we hope even more advances in genetic engineering, genes will be so irrelevant and customized that they will be the new…”Jeans”
My assertion on why Environment matters more than genetics, even in fuckin first world nations.
If I.Q was inherited, there will be no aeroplanes, no microwave, no computers, no marriage ceremony, no radio, no clocks, no books, no education, no roads, no cars, e.t.c
I think for the sake of all the great inventions alone, we should say intelligence is 90 percent more influencial than genes.
If I.Q was inherited, how can you explain people that have PhDs at 18 when their parents were of average intelligence? How can you explain how certain kids have retardation ailments(I.Q below 0) that are not found in their parents and grandparents? Where are you going to look for the answers?
I would probably say yes that IQ is partially inherited, but then the question becomes to what extent is IQ malleable and how importantis it really?
If I.Q was inherited, how can you explain people that have PhDs at 18 when their parents were of average intelligence?
The argument is not black and white. Do you want to believe the mainstream or do you want to read about the relationship, or do you want the pull your own prick. In a way both sides are correct, but one side is a function of the other, whether it happens or not. Thats just my own little attitude towards the I.Q.
Oh please, you don't know anything about science and relationships, you think you are a science student. You think everybody in the world doesn't know that I.Q is inherited given the ideal conditions? Put a cork in it will ya. You keep on ranting left right and center but brought absolutely nothing on the table. You started a thread and expected everybody to follow your small minded rhetoric. You couldn't even defend your position much of the time, and now you choose to compensate yourself by calling people names after the debate. Do you think you are intelligent? What intelligent thing have you said all thread? Don't make me laugh. You are stupid and you are boring, and you are immature. You sarted this thread with a foolish predisposed agenda. So fuck offYes, you've been repeating arguments that neither have no bearing on this thread, nor have any bearing or relevance to anybody else's arguments or observations from this thread. I hereby dub you the Sciforums Schitzo. You argue things against imaginaries. You quote people's writing and write a bunch of stuff that's unrelated and you somehow think you're debunking them.
If you're not interested in arguing the heritability of intelligent/IQ, then do not participate.
Chatha, you still didn't explain why identical twins have nearly identical IQs. You said the reason their IQs are so similar is because they often have the same lives--or because they have the same upbringing. This doesn't explain anything. Siblings who aren't identical twins IQs correlate, but the correlation isn't anything compared to those of identical twins. Not only that, but the correlation of IQs of identical twins who are reared separately are still extremely high. You didn't explain anything. At this point, the best thing you can do is some reading. No offense or anything, but it doesn't seem like you know a whole lot about this.
Oh please, you don't know anything about science and relationships, you think you are a science student. You think everybody in the world doesn't know that I.Q is inherited given the ideal conditions? Put a cork in it will ya. You keep on ranting left right and center but brought absolutely nothing on the table. You started a thread and expected everybody to follow your small minded rhetoric. You couldn't even defend your position much of the time, and now you choose to compensate yourself by calling people names after the debate. Do you think you are intelligent? What intelligent thing have you said all thread? Don't make me laugh. You are stupid and you are boring, and you are immature. You sarted this thread with a foolish predisposed agenda. So fuck off
I never pretended anything. I never pretended to be a scientist nor a "science student"--I never even pretended to be intelligent. I'm just stating the facts and I'm arguing. That's what this site is for... you know? Arguing, debating, disagreeing.Oh please, you don't know anything about science and relationships, you think you are a science student.
Yes, I think everybody in the world doesn't know that IQ is inherited, given the ideal conditions. Do you think everybody in the world knows that IQ is inherited under ideal conditions? Do you dare say yes?You think everybody in the world doesn't know that I.Q is inherited given the ideal conditions? Put a cork in it will ya.
Honestly, nobody really did. Chatha was starting to get in the right direction, talking about the Flynn effect and environmental causes of IQ though. Most of his contributions were just complete inane nonsense, non-sequiturs and strawmen.You keep on ranting left right and center but brought absolutely nothing on the table.
It's not ot really my rhetoric. Like I said many times, this is mainstream psychology/psychometrics. This is stuff that's known in science bro. I'm just trying to get people up to speed. Science does violence to common sense and conventional wisdom. What is common knowledge often clashes with what is simply known in science. This is one of those cases and I think it's simply remarkable what people will say even in a science website.You started a thread and expected everybody to follow your small minded rhetoric.
Give me an example of something I could not defend.You couldn't even defend your position much of the time
There are times when it is very difficult to refrain from name calling. I don't really recall calling anyone names in this thread. But I definitely remember mocking the shit out of Chatha. But only because he very much deserved it. Did you read some of the things he said? The only reason I refrained from mocking him at times was because I didn't think I could possibly do as good a job at making him seem stupid as he.and now you choose to compensate yourself by calling people names after the debate
By the sound of it, you could use a good laugh. And maybe even a hug. Oh, come here, you!Don't make me laugh.
You are stupid and you are boring, and you are immature.
You sarted this thread with a foolish predisposed agenda.
Narf!So fuck off