Its one thing to say that humans share the same qualities of rocks in that they are made of matter.
Its something else to say that rocks share the same qualities as humans in that they experience.
Is Hate Delusional Thinking?
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Its something else to say that rocks share the same qualities as humans in that they experience.
No matter how you slice it LG, you are a part of the universe. The universe is capable of assembling a tiny bit of its matter into various life forms of which you are one. Hate it or love it, everything you do is the universe's doing.
I guess the nature of our disagreement is whether the buck stops at the universe
I see
The reductionist's equivalent of "the devil made me do it", eh?
The reductionist's equivalent of "the devil made me do it", eh?
i said it first!...:blbl:
he didn't tell me where the chocolate gene is..lol
Sounds mystical. But examine the consequences for interpersonal interactions if one truly believes this. If you are angry with what someone does, you are angry at the universe. For example.
Enmos
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Are you being intentionally obtuse? :bugeye:
No
I'm not the one talking of rock's experiencing our hand we hold them (#276)
The difference between the rock in the sun and the rock in the shade is, for instance, the temperature of the rock. In that sense the rock 'experiences' your hand.
I hold that our experience is of the same nature, only much more complex.
Enmos
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What do you think experience is? It's a cascade of simpler 'experiences' like the one in the rock analogy.
Could you describe for me what events make it possible for you to, say visually, experience a rock?
once again, to avoid sounding obtuse I think you have to so something more with the word experience other than place it in quotation marks.
Otherwise someone might let drop with the idea that some rocks are more experienced than others or something
Enmos
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So you understand what I'm saying but you just don't agree with my choice of words out of your concern for others? Err..once again, to avoid sounding obtuse I think you have to so something more with the word experience other than place it in quotation marks.
Otherwise someone might let drop with the idea that some rocks are more experienced than others or something
Tell you what, you may suggest a wording then.
not really
my initial quibble was ....
So what do you say distinguishes the processes we attribute to "mind" from the physical objects it is experiencing?
You seem to be suggesting that there is no need for distinguishing since physical objects also have recourse for experiencing phenomena.
Once again, its one thing to say that humans share the same qualities of rocks in that they are made of matter.
Its something else to say that rocks share the same qualities as humans in that they experience.
IOW semantically twisting the word "experience" away from ....
the accumulation of knowledge or skill that results from direct participation in events or activities
... just so one can include things like rocks seems like a rhetorical crutch.
I mean its not like you here of geologists talking about the experience of rocks in such a fashion.
PsychoticEpisode,
How does the thought of hating someone because they are theist, even enter your mind?
Do you pity all who are theist? Why?
Hate is strong word, especially on the basis whether one is hated because they are theist or atheist. Atheism, in the true sense of the word has aways been. Most people are atheistic to some degree or other. Modern atheism has taken the title 'atheism' and created an kind of exclusive, godless, religious organisation,creating new divisions.
You never hear of people falling in hate either.
If we think we love or hate, then i suppose there is a chance of it being 'delusional'.
It depends on the individuals, not whether they are thest or atheist.
Would you like to?
If what you say is true, i would expect to see hate in every aspect of human life, at every moment. Instead I the vast majority of people just trying to be happy but being checked, constantly by the system.
You are fuelled by hate, there is no doubt about that when you read some of your posts. Do you actually hate theists?
No. Because you have no reason to. If you think you do, then you are just a hateful person, and have used theists as a target.
Maybe you should chill, and try and understand God, and theism, instead of jumping on bandwags.
I don't know you, so I have no feeling towards you, and hating you because you are atheist, would be no different than hating someone who cannot play a drumset.
jan.
How does the thought of hating someone because they are theist, even enter your mind?
Do you pity all who are theist? Why?
Hate is strong word, especially on the basis whether one is hated because they are theist or atheist. Atheism, in the true sense of the word has aways been. Most people are atheistic to some degree or other. Modern atheism has taken the title 'atheism' and created an kind of exclusive, godless, religious organisation,creating new divisions.
You never hear of people falling in hate either.
If we think we love or hate, then i suppose there is a chance of it being 'delusional'.
It depends on the individuals, not whether they are thest or atheist.
Would you like to?
If what you say is true, i would expect to see hate in every aspect of human life, at every moment. Instead I the vast majority of people just trying to be happy but being checked, constantly by the system.
You are fuelled by hate, there is no doubt about that when you read some of your posts. Do you actually hate theists?
No. Because you have no reason to. If you think you do, then you are just a hateful person, and have used theists as a target.
Maybe you should chill, and try and understand God, and theism, instead of jumping on bandwags.
I don't know you, so I have no feeling towards you, and hating you because you are atheist, would be no different than hating someone who cannot play a drumset.
jan.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I see you lack any imagination. Never mind then.
Basically. The universe has evolved many life forms, they don't always agree with one another. Anger, love, hate are examples of what you can find here, there is nothing mystical about it.
No, but my point is that if one truly believed that everyone everyone else was doing was the universe doing it - in a sense this is a form of determinism - why be angry? If one is angry at another piece of the universe, this indicates that part of you does not believe, yet, this idea of yours.
Sorry Doreen, could you edit your comment? Not sure what you're saying.
If you think someone else's actions are 'the universe doing something' I can't see where an angry response makes sense. It's like getting angry at a solar flare.