Is God Rational?
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There are rational reasons to be religious. If it prevents you from murdering people. If you benefit from the church in some way. If your family would disown you and that's more important than your personal beliefs...
I happen to think atheism is rational as long as there is no convincing arguments otherwise.
Strong disagree.
Write4U
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This is typical apologetics. God is rational and omnipotent but he created an irrational world?
I submit God is an irrational being in a rational world.....
Can agree as rational and irrational two points of view
from different sides of worlds.
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Write4U
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IMO, morality is rational, regardless of belief system (secular). Ultimately, morality is a symbiotic survival mechanism in a predatory world.
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This is typical apologetics.
God is rational and omnipotent but he created an irrational world?
I submit God is an irrational being in a rational world.....
Can agree if god as an irrational being who somehow
can have influence on a rational world.
For example, through ''Butterfly effect'' of quantum fluctuations.
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Write4U
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Sure, religions are perfect examples. But it is never God that has the influence. It's always a human who speaks for God or as an observer of God, who exerts the influence. And that is highly irrational.
The quantum stuff is perfectly rational. Everything in nature is mathematically rational .....
............ Gods aren't, they are Tulpas.
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If everything acts in accordance with a reasonable framework, isn’t everything essentially reasonable or rational? Perceived irrationality can be a result of reasonable action. Idiocy, like anything else, can be seen as an act of reason by the universal whole.
The quantum stuff is perfectly rational. Everything in nature is mathematically rational ....
Sorry.
Mathematics uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
For example:
the circumference of the circle is described by 2πr
in which π is an irrational number.
And the quantum stuff also uses Rational and Irrational Numbers.
Doesn't it mean there are two real words: Rational and Irrational
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Write4U
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Except that nature does not use, nor describe numbers at all. It uses "relative values" which are always rational.
Write4U
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For a very handy and quick reference of the various aspects of OT, NT, Quran, Book of Mormon scripture:
The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts. - Haggai 2:8
- Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
Absurdity
Commandments
Injustice
Cruelty and Violence
Intolerance
Good Stuff
Contradictions
Science and History
Family Values
Interpretation
Women
Sex
Prophecy
Language
Boring Stuff
Homosexuality
Politics
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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Write4U
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IMO, all three perspectives seek the same thing on a philosophical level as what science seeks on a physical level.
An explanation for the existence of the universe.
Therefore I believe that each tentative perspective explanation cannot contain falsehoods or extraordinary speculation, such as an assumption that gods are motivated beings and can act against natural law.
Motivation is not a requirement for universal functions. Therefore, "praying to a god is waste of time".
If there is a god, IT is not emotionally involved with the workings of the universe.
Whatever force you can imagine, it must be an implaccable stochastic function, neither good nor bad, but totally devoid of emotion.
And it has been proven that a motivated director is not required because the universe itself provides geometric and energetic mathematical media (fields), functioning independently from any human perspective. That's how human came to symbolize the relative values and functions of natural expressions and patterns with human mathematics in the first place.
I am an atheist because I see no need for a god. Nature is our god, if we need a metaphysical philosophic concept of Universal Potential.
One of the first Nordic gods was Thor an unseen actor who would make loud noises, throw fire from the sky and then throw water as insult upon injury to all earthly beings.
Indra, the Indian/ Hindu god of thunder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thunder_gods
Thor became "Thunder and Lightning" a weather phenomenon. No motivated god, just mathematical patterns of atmospheric forces which produced thunder and lightning and rain then, the same as it does now.
All gods have been replaced by science, except the one god which is completely undefined and therefore cannot be proven not to exist.
Understanding rests on knowledge of the self-referential mathematical universe, not on belief that an unseen god can make something happen that people cannot do....
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Write4U
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You want to be an ant in an ant-farm? It has to be a personal god?
You would not be satisfied with a pseudo-intelligence out there so we can make pure bio-intelligent sense of it in here?
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In my atheist beliefs the angel of light would be equal to physics a form of energy
or the angel of a healthy weight
not ignorant of human suffering???
What happened to omnipotent?