Is America Going Back on its Morals?

Is America being screwed up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 63.2%

  • No

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Total voters
    19
It's hard to make a judgment because morals are relative. One person may think that same-sex marriage is a breakdown of morality. Others may feel that denying same-sex couples the right to marry is immoral.

I personally don't think that American television is that bad. Have you been to certain European countries and watched BASIC cable? My goodness. Oddly enough, a lot of those countries with grittier TV shows have far less crime.
 
Doreen said:
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Originally Posted by Omega133
I dont't just think the f bomb is bad, I say it. But rather suggestive things being exposed to 5 year olds. I know kids in elementary(I dont go to elementary I just know them) who have watched pornographic movies. Thats just a little wrong don't you think?
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Now we are sliding off into another topic.
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How is elementary age children being exposed to pornography irrelevant or off-topic in a thread relating to morals?

On a related yet divergent note, in the US we are now arresting, prosecuting and convicting biologically mature young people (15-17) for a practice known as "sexting". For those of you not familiar with this, it refers to a teenager (usually female) taking nude photos of herself and distributing them via cell phone or social sites such as FaceBook. Isn't this a bit overkill?

Not enough on one side and too much on the other, no?

Oh, and as to prosecuting for sexting, i mentioned this line before with a decent response, let's see how it works the second time 'round:
The 17 year old chickie was caught, arrested, tried and convicted for possession and distribution of child pornography for "sexting". I am glad they didn't catch her masturbating... Would she have been arrested for child abuse?
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Seriously, the sexual tone in most countries needs a little investigation and perhaps revision. People grow up quicker these days, so perhaps a little less harshness and prosecution after puberty, combined with a little more resource allocation towards apprehension, prosecution and punishment/treatment for the true pedophiliac. Yes?
 
George Washington was noted for his cursing. It was both vitriolic and inventive. So much so that his soldiers often took notes, some of which have survived, and he actually turned the tide of battle once just on the strength of his cussing.

During a battle where his troops were out numbered one of his commanders started to reasonably retreat. Geo. cussed him out so hard the man turned and fled back towards the enemy and his men went with him and the Britsh thought the colonies had been reinforced and disengaged.

Of course Geo. was an atheist too.

"According to the earwitness account of Gen. Charles Scott, however, Washington swore one day at Monmouth 'until the leaves shook on trees. Charming, delightful! Never have I enjoyed such swearing before or since. Sir, on that day, he swore like an angel from heaven.'"
 
Ok, as a foreigner I understand this. There is a man, - I am not sure of his occupation, is he in military?- he made a list of 100 people who he thinks are ruining a country of hundreds of millions. And these bad people are using adult television, satiric cartoons and over displayed disagreeable reactions to haul the country in a blasphemous infamy?

You really don't have any serious abuse of human rights, famine or poverty in there, have you? That's not a bad thing of course, I am just having 'a moment of an online cultural conflict' that's all. LOL. :rolleyes:
 
As an American, I don't think my country is going back on its morals. Some states that are constitutionally banning gay marriage are, but I expect that to change.
 
Randwolf said:
How is elementary age children being exposed to pornography irrelevant or off-topic in a thread relating to morals?
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I'll admit that the OP is floppy, but without actually dealing with my arguments about cursing, which seemed to be the part of morals he focused on most, suddenly I must discuss a seemingly random other moral issue.

But if you think his 'train' of thought is OK,

do you think it is moral to smoke in front of very young children?

and when you've told me your arguments on that, I will respond with another question

should we bail out banks and isn't doing this going against the morals of the designers of the constitution in spirit if not in letter?
 
swarm said:
George Washington was noted for his cursing. It was both vitriolic and inventive. So much so that his soldiers often took notes, some of which have survived, and he actually turned the tide of battle once just on the strength of his cussing.

During a battle where his troops were out numbered one of his commanders started to reasonably retreat. Geo. cussed him out so hard the man turned and fled back towards the enemy and his men went with him and the Britsh thought the colonies had been reinforced and disengaged.

Of course Geo. was an atheist too.

"According to the earwitness account of Gen. Charles Scott, however, Washington swore one day at Monmouth 'until the leaves shook on trees. Charming, delightful! Never have I enjoyed such swearing before or since. Sir, on that day, he swore like an angel from heaven.'"
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Well, this explains how we could have slavery and our treatment of the natives. I did not know there was widespread cursing then - and if the Father of our Nation cursed, it must have been common for His children to also - and this must have led to the immoral behaviors of the day.

I wonder if George Bush's cursing led to the behavior of the various loan departments and thus the finance crisis.
 
Doreen said:
do you think it is moral to smoke in front of very young children?
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That one is easy, I don't have to directly consider the morality one way or the other. I believe that there are serious health risks involved with second hand smoke. (sources available on request)

Since I do believe it to be immoral to needlessly endanger the health of young children, I can sidestep the question in this situation.



Doreen said:
should we bail out banks and isn't doing this going against the morals of the designers of the constitution in spirit if not in letter?
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My personal opinion is no, they shouldn't. I believe in less government intervention, not more. I am a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.

Federal government should mostly concentrate on defending the republic and think thrice before straying into other areas. There are exceptions, again IMHO. For example, I can't figure out any other reasonable route to some of the larger infrastructure a country the size of the US requires.

Having said this, I'm not sure about the "morality" as such. Framed in reference to the constitution, it would seem to me that yes, this violates the spirit / intent of the founding fathers, but immoral? That's a bit of a stretch, but I might concede to a well thought out case for immorality here...
 
Yes, but Randwolf,
did cursing lead to parents exposing their kids to second hand smoke? (I'll set aside the very clear possibility that one can see Daddy smoking in the backyard and at the same time NOT be exposed to second hand smoke)
and
did cursing lead to the bank bailout?

Or to put it more generally

would it be less likely that we would have bailed out the banks if people controlled their use of the F-word more?
 
Doreen said:
Yes, but Randwolf,
did cursing lead to parents exposing their kids to second hand smoke?

did cursing lead to the bank bailout?

would it be less likely that we would have bailed out the banks if people controlled their use of the F-word more?
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No. Sorry to be so curt, but I have to run now - court appointment. I will elaborate further later on today...
 
I have friends whose parents smoked in front of them. They turned out just fine. They don't smoke, either.
 
THANK YOU ALL! This is the kind of response I was hoping for. As far as smoking in front of young ones being immoral, I think it's irresponsible for parents to do that in front of impressionable minds.
 
Omega133 said:
THANK YOU ALL! This is the kind of response I was hoping for. As far as smoking in front of young ones being immoral, I think it's irresponsible for parents to do that in front of impressionable minds.
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perhaps. BUT, how many children really emulate their parents? the point is that these things are more a matter of circumstance, i believe. sometime i think people use that as an excuse though.
 
John99 said:
perhaps. BUT, how many children really emulate their parents?
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Are you serious? I've subconsciously picked up so many habits from my mother it's annoying. I didn't do it on purpose, of course. But from the way I hold my arms, the things I say, the way I hold my tongue when I read all behaviors are my the exact same as my parents. I guess it could be genetic, but I think things like that are learned. Small children imitate dogs so why is it so far fetched to believe that they would imitate their parents.
 
CutsieMarie89 said:
Are you serious? I've subconsciously picked up so many habits from my mother it's annoying. I didn't do it on purpose, of course. But from the way I hold my arms, the things I say, the way I hold my tongue when I read all behaviors are my the exact same as my parents. I guess it could be genetic, but I think things like that are learned. Small children imitate dogs so why is it so far fetched to believe that they would imitate their parents.
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i agree with the mannerisms. but i think that ultimately decisions are solely based on the individual. today there is copious amounts of information regarding what is bad for you and what is good for you whereas everyone is exposed to it, almost daily even.
 
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