With apologies to Bowser for continuing to hold tali89 to account for his statements...
tali89:
You failed to demonstrate how 'urging' someone to do something amounted to coercion, hence making your elaboration on the distinction between informing/advising/urging a red herring.
No. I was very clear in my explanation.
If you're contending that Capracus or myself are arguing in favor of the notion that it's OK to coerce women into having abortions, you should support that assertion. I'm not holding my breath though.
Let me ask you directly: are you pro-choice or pro-life? Or, if you like neither label, please describe your position on abortion.
On the specific question, let us clear the air: are you in favor of coercing women to either have an abortion or not to have one, or are you against all coercion? Subsidiary question: if somebody takes a "pro-life" position, isn't that equivalent to coercing women into not having abortions (by denying them the right to choose)?
I think Capracus can speak for himself, and I'm not sure he wants you to speak on his behalf.
No, I learnt about [irony] outside of formal education.
If so, then why are you so tone-deaf to it?
It's a shame you've never stepped outside of your sheltered world, or you might be able to detect the irony in your own material.
What makes you think I never stepped outside my "sheltered world"? What do you think you know of my sheltered world, exactly?
You keep making statements as if you know something about my life outside this forum. Why is that?
Well, a number of people have stated that urging someone to do something is the anti-thesis of being pro-choice.
Ok. Do you agree with those people, or not?
I pointed out that attempting to persuade someone to do something does not reduce the number of choices available to them, hence the inappropriateness of labeling Capracus as being anti-choice or pro-abortion.
And I agreed with you about the first half.
You mentioned something about urging being equivalent to a form of coercion, although I'm not exactly sure what your point was as all the posturing obfuscated it.
I provided a concise dictionary definition of "urging". Go back and read it, or look it up for yourself. I can't force you to engage your brain; only you can do that.
Your egotism has become such a problem that it hurts any point you try to make.
There's that irony thing again.
I never stated that you were 'stalking' me. That word came out of your mouth, although I find it curious that you've chosen to be defensive over something I never accused you of.
*sigh*
It's like you forget what you post about an hour after you post it. See below for a reminder.
However, it's clear you are targeting me for ridicule. I started a thread, and you pounced on me to nitpick trivialities and shoot off personal insults. I made a post on this thread, and you saw it as an opportunity to ridicule me. You've requested a picture of myself in the past when I claimed to be female, and sent a number of snide PM's demanding my identity. If you consider that normal behavior, well, I don't know what to say. Your parents obviously didn't teach you how to treat others with respect.
You make yourself an object ripe for ridicule, tali89. Can't you see that? Nobody needs to target you.
In your "sexual harassment" thread, which you are desperately trying to forget, I pointed out a number of hypocrisies in the position you were espousing. When it all became too much, you ran away. Simple as that.
I don't recall sending you any personal message demanding your identity. What would be the point of that? You could tell any lie you wanted to. And what would be the point of requesting a picture of you? You could dredge up any old picture from anywhere on the internet.
Regarding respect: my parents taught me to respect those who prove themselves to be worthy of respect. You lost any respect I had for you a long time ago, and your actions here mostly confirm that you don't deserve respect.
Apologize for a claim I never made? No.
You are dishonest and you clearly have no sense of personal integrity. I expected no better from you.
Apologise for pointing out that you seek me out in order to ridicule? Why would I apologise for stating the facts? Furthermore, I'm not the first person who has been subjected to such behavior, have I?
A reminder: I asked you to apologise for the
specific claim that you made that I followed you into the current thread. Here's what you wrote:
"Now you've followed me to this thread in a further attempt to browbeat me."
I clearly set out the evidence that I was participating in this thread for a full week before your first post. I invite anybody who gives a damn to check the facts.
It is established that - as a matter of indisputable fact - I did not
follow you into this thread for any reason. As I said, for all I know you followed
me into this thread. The timeline at least supports that hypothesis.
I did not ask you to apologise for pointing out that I seek you out in order to ridicule you. That is beside the point, even if it were true. Moreover, even if it were true that I have followed other people into other threads at other times - or even yourself into other threads at other times - that has nothing to do with the moral obligation for you to apologise for this specific claim you made. Your dishonest attempt to avoid the specific issue I raised is just one more example of your general lack of personal integrity.
Oh, so it's compassion when you ridicule those who disagree with you.
Not in general. In the particular instance that occurred above, though, you just sounded very vulnerable for a moment there, and my big heart went out to you - just for that point in the conversation, you understand. You got over your moment of high emotion and quickly regained your usual abrasive front.
I'm not overly familiar with hate and obsession, but I must admit you do exhibit behavior consistent with both of those emotions.
How so?
And I'll make any communications you sent me public if I see fit. You lost any right to keep your barbs private the moment you hit the 'Send' button on the computer. I know it must be galling that you can't control everything and everyone around you, but that's how it works outside of your sterile little bubble.
Erm... no you won't make any private communications public that you see fit. Again, I remind you of our site rules:
Site rules said:
Invasion of privacy
10. Posting of private information of other members without their explicit permission is unacceptable. This includes real names, email addresses, location information and private communications from the member in question.
We take breaches of this particular rule very seriously indeed.
Your dishonesty is a matter of public record.
None has been shown so far by you.
You'd be better served by not lying, rather than attempting to silence people who catch you with your pants down.
You are tossing around a lot of personal accusations here, tali89.
Will you provide
any evidence to back up your inappropriate personal slights? Or will you apologise to me for your uncouth and inappropriate behaviour? Or will hell freeze over before tali89 every utters the words "I'm sorry. I was wrong and I acted poorly. I will try to improve."?
The world doesn't owe you anything...
I didn't ask the world to apologise to me. I only asked
you to be accountable for
your behaviour. It was too much to hope for from you, I know. Your attempt to deflect your actions onto a nebulous "world" is just further evidence of your deep immaturity. I hope you grow up one day and become a real adult who can handle responsibility.
... and I find it rather pathetic that you're so desperate to wrangle an apology from a stranger on the internet.
Do you think I expected you would apologise? Of course not. This exercise was merely one more opportunity for you to expose who you really are to your readers, tali89. And you've done that in spades.
You really need to work on your egotism and narcissism.
Am I supposed to increase them or decrease them?
I would like to repeat my suggestion that you take a break from sciforums.
I'd suggest you slink off with your tail between your legs, with a sense of deep shame at the way you have behaved on this forum. Take a good hard look at yourself and try to become a better person than you are.