Buddha1 said:
This is bullshit!
The society, including the state and all its institutions give enormous patronage and support to male-female sex through marriage --- and it has done so for several milleniums. Many human aspects, needs and aspirations (masculine/ male-male bonds being an important one) have been sacrificed and suppressed for ages so that male-female marriage could survive (which under natural circumstances it has no chance to survive!).
The only reason for such enormous investment (which has such severe costs for most people, particularly for men, and which makes so many people and human qualities redundant) has been to support procreation.
Heterosexuality, which is a modern day phenomenon, and of which only a part is geared towards reproduction, derives its enormous exploitative powers through this age old obsession of societies for procreation.
People cannot use the enormous benefits of this age-old social support and then refuse to partake in their ensuing social responsibilities. For if male-female sex cannot fulfil the responsibilities for which it has been given powers, then the state protection given to male-female sex is futile.
We are social beings and as such have responsibilities towards our society. We cannot live only for ourselves.
Besides abortion is unnatural and anything unnatural is eventually harmful to the humankind.
It seems that you look through everything through your lense of
hetero/homo beliefs. All does not come back to an argument about
state protection and endorsement of male-female sex.
As for abortion being un-natural... how is it unnatural?
I imagine that anything falling in the realm of human behaviour
and ability would be natural to us. We have a strong inclination for
innovation as a species and anything coming as a result of this drive
I would call "natural".
Abortion is a very sensitive topic. Medically, it is the process by which a pregnancy ends, or terminates, before birth. Induced abortions are medical procedures conducted to terminate pregnancy. When pregnancies end due to natural causes, they are called miscarriages, or natural abortions.
A woman can also induce a miscarriage using organic methods
such as miscarriage tea,
http://www.angelfire.com/az2/welder1/,
Abortion induced by herbs or manipulation was used as a form of birth control in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome and probably earlier. In the Middle Ages in Western Europe it was generally accepted in the early months of pregnancy.
Most all Biblical passages directly addressing abortion itself
actually endorse terminating human life when conditions are unfavorable.
For instance God was claimed to actually close all wombs inthe palace
of Negeb when the king was with Abraham'swife. (Gen.20:17-18)
During Job's hard times we find him wishing he were aborted or miscarriaged: "Why did I not die at birth, come forth from the womb
and expire... Or why was it not a hidden untimely birth as infants who never see the light... Why is it to him who is given in misery, and life to the bitter soul? (Job 20:14-18)
The prophet, Jeremiah, fares no better: "Cursed be the day I was born. [And cursed be he who] did not kill me in my womb...that my mother may
been my grave. (Jer. 20:14-18) And even in the New Testament we find:"Rejoice O one who does not bear. Break forth and shout, ye who are
not in labor. For the desolate has more children than she who has husband." (Gal.4:27 )
The children of Israel's enemies were thought of even more harshly: "Now go attack Amaleck and..... kill both man and women, infant and
nursing child..."(1 Sam 15:3)"Let them be like snails that dissolve like slime, like untimely births that never see the sun." (Ps. 58:1-8)
"Happy he shall be who takes your little children and dashes them against a rock." (Ps. 137:9) "Give them a miscarrying womb and dried out breasts." (Hos. 9:14) Also, a woman's life was considered more
precious than that of her unborn child. The writer of Exodus states thatif someone caused a woman's miscarriage against her will he had to pay a fine. But if the injury caused the woman's death, the perpetrator would be put to death as well. (Exod. 21:22-25)
As for when the soul first enters the embryo: "As you do not know when the spirit first comes into the child, so
you do not know the work of
God who makes everything." (Eccles. 11:15)
I'm actually a promoter of infanticide and suicide as well,
but... those aren't included in the topic of this thread.
on a side note;
I was born and raised in a sex cult called the children of gawd...
they took a fundamentalist stance on abortion though they
endorsed free sex...
to cut a long story short,
my sister was impregnated while staying in a commune in S. CA
and her natural instincts led her to do situps until she achieved
a miscarriage... even if a clinic isn't available, abortion is a viable
option for many girls.
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