well that's better then a women just going out to get an abortion because they forgot to use a condom, or something. Yeah. I can be okay with that. We should be more strick about these things. I think.
hug-a-tree said:A. Most scientists now agree that human life starts at conception. So yes, you are killing the fetus
I am absolutely against abortion.hug-a-tree said:I've always been pro-life, because I think abortion is wrong. I was recently arguing with my friend that abortion isn't a right that women should be entiled too. If you don't want to have children yet, then don't be screwing around.
That makes sense okay. So she says that a women who has been raped should still have the right to have a child aborted. But still that's just as wrong as before. There's still another life involed, and whether you have an abortion if it's due to rape or just carelessness it's killing a child.
She argues that when the child is inside you, it's not a real child. But that's not true! I don't understand how someone could think like that! The child is very much alive. It has a heart beat and everything. So it may not be out of your body, but it's still a living person whose rights are being ignored.
How could someone be so cruel to even think about having their child aborted?
What really get's to me is that 99% of the abortions done today are done by women who are over 27 who are making an income over over 35,000 a year. My friend says "well they don't have to have a child, if they don't want too. Why ruin her career?" uh, well why'd she get knocked up in the fisrt place? It's amazing that someone could even get pregnant in this day in age, what with all the birth control out there?
What do you think about this all?
This individualism is getting too far too!hug-a-tree said:Yes, totally. And what about the child? Who cares about the children anymore? It's really sad that some people think they have a right to kill someone because they don't want to put up with them.
Everyone tells me that it's my own thoughts, and I should force my decisions on others. But like you said, their pushing it. Since when can people get away with murder?
hug-a-tree said:And what about the child? Who cares about the children anymore?
This is unreasonable. You have no idea how responsible people are. Nothing is 100% safe and you should know it. If they are taking enough precaution they are hardly negligent if they do get pregnant, and so they have every damn right to “murder” the unwanted ‘child’.hug-a-tree said:Oh tough, I mean come on! If that poor poor women was so worried about getting pregnant why the hell wasn't she perpared in the first place? People need to be responsible.
I just love this. Especially since you are apparently not speaking from experience and in reality have no idea what it would really be like.If I were to be pregnant, right now at the age of 16, I'd still have my child. Even if I was raped.
Well, it sure isn’t going to make it any better now, is it?Getting ride of the child isn't going to help me. And it really won't help me get over what happened to me.
This is bullshit!ZenDrake said:is abortion a fundamental right?
absofuckinlutely.
You have no idea how irresponsible people could be. Especially in this age of forced heterosexualisation, where the media inundates the society with exaggerated and glorified heterosexual life-styles, what with 'dating' and stuff.Nysse said:This is unreasonable. You have no idea how responsible people are.
Like... bandages?Besides abortion is unnatural and anything unnatural is eventually harmful to the humankind.
The vested interest group will dismiss nature, if need be, to support heterosexuality.spuriousmonkey said:Let's please cut the bullshit what nature intended. Nature doesn't intend anything. Nature is just a collection of living organisms.
This is from someone who argued relentlessly about procreation being the only purpose of biology, of humans being useless biologically if they don't add to procreation, and that evolution is all about ensuring procreation.spuriousmonkey said:Some biological realities then:
The female body is at a constant war with a parasite growing inside her. That parasite is of course the embryo, later the fetus. This fetus will plunder the mother's resources when possible. It's isn't nice to the mother. It only thinks of itself. During the course of evolution this war between mother and child has reached a certain equilibrium. The parasite can't push the mother anymore before being ejected or attacked seriously, the mother can't restrain the embryo any more before killing it. It's a truce. There is nothing peaceful about it though.
Yet the feminine instinct risks her life to save her offspring. The human female (quite like most other mammals) has an immense emotional investment in her offspring, right from the time she conceives.spuriousmonkey said:The embryo is quite capable of killing its host and regularly does so.
What happens naturally, happens as a natural response to natural developments. It is no excuse for humans to engineer such things artificially, on a large scale.spuriousmonkey said:Not so much anymore with the advent of modern medicin but the mother still undergoes a huge risk with every pregnancy. Many embryos are naturally (yes, fucking naturally) aborted before they reach terms. Most mothers never even notice they were pregnant.
Are you suggesting that mice do that as a habit whenever they get stressed? I'm sure not. It is something that happens only in extreme emergencies --- not for the vain pleasures of casual sex (when nature has intended sex for pleasure between the same-sex, with no burden of procreation).spuriousmonkey said:If a mice eats its litter in case of stress or an emergency is that unnatural? No. The future is too uncertain. Eating the offsrping is a natural response.
Yes if the circumstances under which she had sex with a man are brought about artificially by the society, and she is psychologically influenced in her decision to have 'casual sex'.spuriousmonkey said:If a woman decides she can't give an unborn child a proper future is that unnatural? No. Not wanting children in this situation is a natural feeling.
Today's Bandages are made of plastic --- which is stressful for the environment that we live in. Besides they deprive the wounded area of breathing space, and not really beneficial for healing.Pete said:Like... bandages?
Cooked food?
People die. But does that mean we can kill people deliberately. That would be surely artificial/ unnatural.Pete said:Besides, is abortion really unnatural? An abortion is just a deliberate miscarriage, right? Does "deliberate" mean "unnatural"? If you deliberately pluck a fruit from a tree to feed yourself, is that unnatural and therefore harmful?