Iraqi Arab Jews

Michael

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Here was something I didn't know about. (from wiki)

Before the anti-Jewish actions of the 1930s and 1940s, overall Iraqi Jews "viewed themselves as Arabs of the Jewish faith, rather than as a separate race or nationality". Additionally, early Labor Zionism mostly concentrated on the Jews of Europe, skipping Iraqi Jews because of their lack of interest in agriculture. The result was that "Until World War II, Zionism made little headway because few Iraqi Jews were interested in the socialist ideal of manual labor in Palestine." (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 364).

There were around 140,000 Arab Jews living in Iraq. Now there are about 3.

Pretty interesting,
Michael
 
Another interesting thing is that similar to the other thread I opened, it was during times of uncertainty and insecurity that Arab Jews started thinking of themselves as Jews first and Arab second and probably Iraqi a distant third. While at the same time Arabs Muslims retreated to their religion.

Then the violence started.

Interesting.
 
I'm thinking after - for example, the Jews initially considered themselves Arabs culturally.
 
So if I consider myself Indian, it makes me what?

And if you consider yourself American, it makes you what?

I suggest you spend some time in the Middle East so you at least know what you are talking about, instead of applying some kind of twisted meaning to any and everything.
 
Which ones? The ones who are in Iraq, or the ones who left 40 years ago?
There's 8 Jews in iraq, down from 140,000 many IRONICALLY fleeing Arab nationalists. Israel's creation is as much the fault of intolerant Muslims as it is Europeans. As they say: You made your bed, now sleep in it.
 
There's 8 Jews in iraq, down from 140,000 many IRONICALLY fleeing Arab nationalists. Israel's creation is as much the fault of intolerant Muslims as it is Europeans. As they say: You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Am I supposed to be impressed by this display of ignorance? Do you ever read any primary sources of history at all? Or just the stuff they spoonfeed you in the media?
 
here's your favoret source:

During the British Mandate from 1918, and in the early days after independence in 1932, well-educated Jews played an important role in civic life. Iraq's first minister of finance, Sir Sassoon Eskell, was a Jew, and Jews were important in developing the judicial and postal systems. Records from the Baghdad Chamber of Commerce show that 10 out of its 19 members in 1947 were Jews and the first musical band formed for Baghdad's nascent radio in the 1930s consisted mainly of Jews. Jews were represented in the Iraqi parliament, and many Jews held significant positions in the bureaucracy which in many cases led to resentment by the Iraqi population.

In the 1930s, the situation of the Jews in Iraq deteriorated. Previously, the growing Iraqi Arab nationalist sentiment included Iraqi Jews as fellow Arabs, but these views changed with the introduction of Nazi propaganda and the ongoing conflict in the Palestinian Mandate. Despite protestations of their loyalty to Iraq, Iraqi Jews were increasingly subject to discrimination and harsh laws. On August 27, 1934 many Jews were dismissed from public service, and quotas were set up in colleges and universities. (reminds me of Chinese in Malaysia). The teaching of Jewish history and Hebrew in Jewish schools was banned.

According to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Sa'id, ”The Jews have always been a source of evil and harm to Iraq. They are spies. They have sold their property in Iraq, they have no land among us that they can cultivate. How therefore can they live? What will they do if they stay in Iraq? No, no my friend, it is better for us to be rid of them as long as we are able to do so.” (A. al-Arif, p. 893) In 1948, the country was placed under martial law, and the penalties for Zionism were increased. Courts martial were used to intimidate wealthy Jews were detained, Jews were again dismissed from civil service, quotas were placed on university positions, Jewish businesses were boycotted (E. Black, p. 347) and Shafiq Ades (one of the most important anti-Zionist Jewish businessmen in the country) was arrested and executed for allegedly selling goods to Israel, shocking the community (Tripp, 123).

By 1949, the Iraqi Zionist underground had become well-established (despite many arrests), and they were smuggling Iraqi Jews out of the country illegally at a rate of 1,000 a month (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 365). Hoping to stem the flow of assets from the country, in March 1950 Iraq passed a law of one year duration allowing Jews to emigrate on condition of relinquishing their Iraqi citizenship. They were motivated, according to Ian Black, by "economic considerations, chief of which was that almost all the property of departing Jews reverted to the state treasury" and also that "Jews were seen as a restive and potentially troublesome minority that the country was best rid of." (p. 91) Israel was initially reluctant to absorb so many immigrants, (Hillel, 1987) but eventually mounted an airlift operation in March 1951 called "Ezra and Nehemiah" to bring as many of the Iraqi Jews as possible to Israel, and sent agents to Iraq to urge the Jews to register for immigration as soon as possible.

From the start of the emigration law in March 1950 until the end of the year, 60,000 Jews registered to leave Iraq. In addition to continuing arrests and the dismissal of Jews from their jobs, this exodus was encouraged by a series of bombings starting in April 1950 that resulted in a number of injuries and a few deaths. Two months before the expiry of the law, by which time about 85,000 Jews had registered, another bomb at the Masuda Shemtov synagogue killed 3 or 5 Jews and injured many others. The law expired in March 1951 but was later extended after the Iraqi government froze the assets of departing Jews, including those who had already left. During the next few months, all but a few thousand of the remaining Jews registered for emigration, spurred on by a sequence of further bombings that caused few casualties but had great psychological impact. In Operation Ezra and Nehemiah, some 120,000 Jews were airlifted to Israel via Iran and Cyprus.

I know this must come as a shock to you SAM that delineating Citizenry and living in Dhimmitude could result in people saying f*ck this - I'm getting the f*ck out of here.
 
So thats a no to primary history then.

I usually post sources that reflect what I already know from other better sources.

If you're getting your education online at least try and be a bit more discriminating.
 
Fell free to add something constructive to the conversation - hell, do everyone a favor and edit Wiki. It's surely be better than red herring us to death! :)
Anyway, the quote contains the citations. Look them us, they are the primary source. The one is even in quotes and includes the page number. That is professional citation.
 
Fell free to add something constructive to the conversation - hell, do everyone a favor and edit Wiki. It's surely be better than red herring us to death! :)
Anyway, the quote contains the citations. Look them us, they are the primary source. The one is even in quotes and includes the page number. That is professional citation.


Yeah a "professional citation". And you a lecturer :rolleyes:

Try this book:
 
You're link to the hand-shake sheik was interesting, albeit, that was in 2007 with Bush. He's a twit I agree. Obama is pulling the troops out. So we can wash out hands of that mess. Win Win

This link skips from page 27 to 89 in my copy.
Is there some point your are trying to make? Why do YOU suppose Arab Jews left Iraq? What is your position?
 
You're link to the hand-shake sheik was interesting, albeit, that was in 2007 with Bush. He's a twit I agree. Obama is pulling the troops out. So we can wash out hands of that mess. Win Win

This link skips from page 27 to 89 in my copy.
Is there some point your are trying to make? Why do YOU suppose Arab Jews left Iraq? What is your position?

It was a struggle between the Pan Arabists of which the Baath Party was the most dominant and had the connections [with vested interests] to hijack the political narrative and superimpose itself on the youth and intelligentsia and the Iraqi nationalists who suffered from a lack of political involvement and an inability to envision and crystalllise an Iraq that could capture the political imagination. IOW, the doers won and the thinkers were pushed aside. The Jews were just collateral damages swept aside by the Pan Arabs and their using the partition of Palestine as a tool for distracting the masses from the real issues that needed attention in Iraq.

Thats a good book to read for the history of the Baath party and how it undermined the essentially pluralistic nature of Iraqi society. A bit verbose and pedantic but well researched and meticulous.
 
How long had "Iraq" existed prior to the collateral damage? And. even if Jews were collateral damage, you would agree that their leaving Iraq was in part due to the way they were treated by their fellow Iraqi citizens? Doesn't this imply then that Pan Arabism helped foster insecurity on the part of Arab Jews (left out of the pan part) and their retreat towards a "Jewish" state?

Can you see a vicious cycle developing here?
 
I suggest you spend some time in the Middle East so you at least know what you are talking about, instead of applying some kind of twisted meaning to any and everything.

When are you visiting Israel?

:shrug:
 
How long had "Iraq" existed prior to the collateral damage? And. even if Jews were collateral damage, you would agree that their leaving Iraq was in part due to the way they were treated by their fellow Iraqi citizens? Doesn't this imply then that Pan Arabism helped foster insecurity on the part of Arab Jews (left out of the pan part) and their retreat towards a "Jewish" state?

Can you see a vicious cycle developing here?

Pan Arabism was a response to Palestinian partition so its a chicken and egg question. Would it have reached the heights it did if Palestinians were not dispossessed? I think not. Note that the Zionists funded the PanArab movement to encourage aliya from these countries when they realised they could not make up the numbers with just the Europeans. They even bombed synangogues to convince the Jews they were not safe:

About 125,000 Jews left Iraq for Israel in the late 1940s and into 1952, most because they had been lied to and put into a panic by what I came to learn were Zionist bombs.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

But yes, Israel essentially destroyed the Middle Eastern Jewish culture, simply by existing.
 
Pan Arabism was a response to Palestinian partition so its a chicken and egg question. Would it have reached the heights it did if Palestinians were not dispossessed?

Would the Palestinians have been dispossessed, if not for the constant suppression of Jewish freedoms in the Middle East?

But yes, Israel essentially destroyed the Middle Eastern Jewish culture, simply by existing.

What was it? How can we know, when they were constantly being evicted and suppressed? Let them develop it on their own.
 
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