Iraq: Violence 70% Down Since June

The numbers are low, historically speaking. Someone here was arguing they aren't low, because they climbed so high that the decline didn't take them down to some objective "low." That graph proves that person (or people, I can't remeber) are totally wrong...
 
The Iraqi deaths are low because we keep adding in various types of deaths to omit so the count winds up appearing less.

- N
 
The graph I posted is from McClatchy, so it comes from a variety of sources, government and non. It's their best effort to assess the deaths. In other words, it has not been manipulated by officials the way you claim.
 
Fewer people are getting murdered than before, yay. Doesn't mean it's not a fraking mess over there, and it's our fault.
 
The news.

Every single day, we are shown graffic images, and scenes of disturbing death and violence on the streets of Iraq. I dont see how someone can say that violence is down 70 %. how can you resource that?
 
So because you "see" something on the news, your mind immediately establishes a trend? I'm sorry, but that's not scientific. The story I posted is. The way the bar graph is compiled is discussed. So are the percentages that are mentioned. Read the story.
 
john smith said:
The news.

Every single day, we are shown graffic images, and scenes of disturbing death and violence on the streets of Iraq. I dont see how someone can say that violence is down 70 %. how can you resource that?
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The news is if it bleeds it leads, the number of incidents are down, there is less violence, that doesn't mean their is no violence, but there are enough incident that it can be front page news everyday no matter how small they are, the news is invested in trying to prove that the war won't work, but the fact are as shown in the graph, and as stated in many news stories that the violence is way down the deaths are the lowest that they have been in 21 months, with a little research you can find stories all over Google that report the same thing, the Surge is working.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
The news is if it bleeds it leads, the number of incidents are down, there is less violence, that doesn't mean their is no violence, but there are enough incident that it can be front page news everyday no matter how small they are, the news is invested in trying to prove that the war won't work, but the fact are as shown in the graph, and as stated in many news stories that the violence is way down the deaths are the lowest that they have been in 21 months, with a little research you can find stories all over Google that report the same thing, the Surge is working.
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With luck, the trend will continue and this wasn't just a high point of the war.

I don't know why you even bothered putting in that one last period. :p
 
Buffalo Roam said:
The news is if it bleeds it leads, the number of incidents are down, there is less violence, that doesn't mean their is no violence, but there are enough incident that it can be front page news everyday no matter how small they are, the news is invested in trying to prove that the war won't work, but the fact are as shown in the graph, and as stated in many news stories that the violence is way down the deaths are the lowest that they have been in 21 months, with a little research you can find stories all over Google that report the same thing, the Surge is working.
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actually all it means is less people are dying. also it is irrelevant if the surge is working because it is not sustainable.
 
countezero said:
More good news — and from the LA Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ry?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=1&cset=true
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That's not really good news, it's expected. They sent 20,000 more troops to Baghdad, set up road blocks all over the place, and there was still over 300 bombings last month. Sure it's down, but it says nothing about the prospect for peace in Iraq. As one resident of Baghdad said, there is quiet in many neighborhoods, but it is not safe. It's only quiet because the militias have taken over.
 
Right. Nothing is ever good news. It can always be spun to be bad news. The template is the same with you all the time. Typical.
 
I couldn't read that link, but the political situation has dramatically improved even since the last time I posted here.

Now there are Sunni ministers again in the government. A major development is the following:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/11/sunni_clerics_turn_o.php

Those people had so destructive influence on Iraq that might have been second only to the influence of al-jazeera, a terrorist media organization stationed in Qatar.
 
You can't really trust any reports given out to the public. The government moniters everything and makes up stories that they think the public can handle or understand unless you actually tallied up all of the deaths yourself, don't trust everything you read. I know this because my father was one of the people who made things up for the government.
 
countezero said:
Right. Nothing is ever good news. It can always be spun to be bad news. The template is the same with you all the time. Typical.
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Deaths in my family are down 70%, last month 100 of them died, this month only 30. Good news... good news.
 
Hani said:
Maybe...but still, the strategy is working...
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:wtf:

You do realize that Iraqis never attacked Amercia, Iraqis never planed to do so, and Iraqis didn't make any WMD that could do so.
Just who makes up this decrease in 70%?
What I've read is it's Sunni Iraqis, normally they are trying to oust us - an invader. So what you're saying is we invaded a sovereign nation and it appears we've finally killed off enough of the Sunni population where they are no longer attacking us anymore? It's funny that we Americans can be convinced to fight so hard and give the ultimate sacrifice for something that stands against the principals of our founding.

Iraq will never be at peace. Just look at the Kurdishstan - Turkey's biting at the bit to attack - yet the whole thing is working??? What's maybe working is Sunni's see there is a new sheriff in town and they will play ball until they can exact their revenge on the Shia. Mark my words, the Sunni will never rest until they are all either killed off or they control Iraq again.
 
hani said:
Those people had so destructive influence on Iraq that might have been second only to the influence of al-jazeera, a terrorist media organization stationed in Qatar.
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Al Jazeera is a terrorist media organization, the newly-armed Sunni who have banded against AQ are also joined up with the Shia government and have no differences with it, and the drop in violence to only 500 attacks a month or so in and around Baghdad is good news marking a fundamental change directly attributable to the new US tactics, for sure.

Back on the planet: Does anyone have any numbers on the air war, or the Iraqi casualties outside the Baghdad region ? Is that also down since June ? We seem to be having the same trouble getting numbers out of the official sources that we have always had, and the reporting from Iraq is just as constrained and stage-managed as ever.
 
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