Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"

[S.A.M.]

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/comment/305

The catholic faith is knocked down almost daily, we dont care me i laugh about it all, even though i am a catholic, our many gay priests etc & there affairs with there choir boys, i take god seriously not men in frocks in churches, all people are open to criticise god or to say he does not exist, thats there opinion, these are words nothing more.

Criticism is good for the catholic church it makes it stronger, sure the preists are doing this religon no good, the reason we had the spanish inquisition is because we did not criticise the church then, the reason we had witch burning is because we did not question the church, questions & criticisms are good they lead to progress, being silent does no one any good.

And?

Do you think Muslims practise their religion as Catholics practise theirs?

Ah, you're saying that because Catholics practise it this way, so must Muslims.

That Muslims must learn from Catholics to consider their beliefs ridiculous and violent. Correct?

 

[Repo Man]

We in the west are not going to curtail our right to freedom of expression because they don't like it. We are free to discuss their religion derisively, they are free to dislike that we do so. Nothing gives them the right to dictate how we discuss things, what books we read, or what films we watch.

 

[S.A.M.]

We in the west are not going to curtail our right to freedom of expression because they don't like it. We are free to discuss their religion derisively, they are free to dislike that we do so. Nothing gives them the right to dictate how we discuss things, what books we read, or what films we watch.

Heh, so your freedom of expression is based on undermining theirs.

Do you have libel laws in your country?

 

[Repo Man]

Heh, so your freedom of expression is based on undermining theirs.

Do you have libel laws in your country?

There is no right to not be offended. Let's revisit the Mencken quote from the previous page. "But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge."

 

[S.A.M.]

There is no right to not be offended.

Tell that to the victims of the Holocaust.

 

[Repo Man]

Freedom of expression did not cause the holocaust.

 

[S.A.M.]

Freedom of expression did not cause the holocaust.

Yes it did. The Nazi's freedom of expression. They were freely expressing their anti-semitism, just as you and yours are expressing your Islamophobia.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005202

 

[Repo Man]

Yes, the Nazi regime were big believers in freedom of speech! You are fatally damaging your remaining credibility by posting such nonsense.

 

[S.A.M.]

Yes, the Nazi regime were big believers in freedom of speech! You are fatally damaging your remaining credibility by posting such nonsense.

Why? Because the western media is so clearly unbiased about Muslims?

 

[Repo Man]

All the western media has to do is allow Muslims to say what they are thinking. They dig their own hole.

 

[S.A.M.]

All the western media has to do is allow Muslims to say what they are thinking. They dig their own hole.

Aren't you all for freedom of expression?

Btw, thanks for making my point about western media.

Could I see the original links for those images?

 

[Repo Man]

Aren't you all for freedom of expression?

Btw, thanks for making my point about western media.

Could I see the original links for those images?

Certainly. They have the right to say they would like to kill me for being an atheist. Sticks and stones.

Do you think the above protesters are portrayed inaccurately? Do you believe the signs are altered, and originally said things like, "We would respectfully request that you not talk about the prophet Mohammad"?

Only one, http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/hitchens200706 . The others were ones I saved from various forums during the comic controversy a couple of years ago.

 

[S.A.M.]

Certainly. They have the right to say they would like to kill me for being an atheist. Sticks and stones.

Yeah and eventually that leads to an atheist being killed. So going around saying atheist should be killed is likely to result in atheists being killed.

Do you think the above protesters are portrayed inaccurately? Do you believe the signs are altered, and originally said things like, "We would respectfully request that you not talk about the prophet Mohammad"?

They probably translated it directly from their language. Or maybe its for effect. However, if they started forming conventions for the positive role of beheading in reducing vilification of Islam, I would get worried.

 

[S.A.M.]

Certainly. They have the right to say they would like to kill me for being an atheist. Sticks and stones.

Do you think the above protesters are portrayed inaccurately? Do you believe the signs are altered, and originally said things like, "We would respectfully request that you not talk about the prophet Mohammad"?

Only one, http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/hitchens200706 . The others were ones I saved from various forums during the comic controversy a couple of years ago.

So they were a response to the cartoons. Tit for tat.

 

[Repo Man]

Yeah and eventually that leads to an atheist being killed. So going around saying atheist should be killed is likely to result in atheists being killed.



They probably translated it directly from their language. Or maybe its for effect. However, if they started forming conventions for the positive role of beheading in reducing vilification of Islam, I would get worried.

Are you completely unfamiliar with how freedom of speech works in the US? We have white supremacist groups, the Phelps clan, all manner of hateful people advocating awful things. Though not pleasant at times, it is better than any alternative that I'm aware of.

 

[S.A.M.]

Are you completely unfamiliar with how freedom of speech works in the US? We have white supremacist groups, the Phelps clan, all manner of hateful people advocating awful things. Though not pleasant at times, it is better than any alternative that I'm aware of.

Hence the one million dead in Iraq, the 6.6 million in Afghanistan.

 

[Repo Man]

So they were a response to the cartoons. Tit for tat.

If you consider death threats a reasonable response to some harmless cartoons, you are completely unhinged.

 

[Repo Man]

Hence the one million dead in Iraq, the 6.6 million in Afghanistan.

Red Herring.

 

[S.A.M.]

If you consider death threats a reasonable response to some harmless cartoons, you are completely unhinged.

If you think a hate movie targeting all Muslims a reasonable way to educate/entertain people, you are even more unhinged.

 

[S.A.M.]

Red Herring.

Clearly the fact that they are promoting anti-Muslim bias, targeting the religion and sending forces to occupy and kill in countries where the population is mostly Muslim are all just a coincidence. Clearly, the cartoons and such films have no effect on those who are indiscriminately killing civilians in both countries.