James R said:First, loading the question:
1. The term "dumb animal" refers to the animal's inability to speak, not its intelligence.
2. Very few, if any, people claim an inalienable right to "kill unborn babies". Certainly, that is not the usual right-to-choose position.
3. The term "unborn baby" is emotive and begs the question, in that it attempts to equate, in an underhanded way, a bundle of cells just after conception with a new-born child.
For most people who have thought about the issue, abortion should be permissible in some circumstances but not others.
I don’t know anyone who is “for abortion”.James R said:There are many reasons people can be for or against abortion, or for or against vegetarianism.
Roman said:Why are so many vegans/vegetarians aghast at the idea of raising dumb animals for food meat, yet believe it's an unalienable right to kill unborn babies?
I'm a carnivore and pro-abortion. I guess it's good we don't eat the fetuses huh!Roman said:Why are so many vegans/vegetarians aghast at the idea of raising dumb animals for food meat, yet believe it's an unalienable right to kill unborn babies?
"In some circumstances." What are some circumstances? The woman is physically incapable of having a child without serious risk of death? Or a seventeen year-old who will have to go to work and skip college because she wasn't as responsible as she should have been?
How is it ok to kill our own kind simply because they would be an inconvience, but not ok to eat animals because they taste good?
James R said:You left out the stage of the pregnancy in each case, and the woman's wishes. Every case is different. Well, not to you, perhaps.
James R said:Who said it was ok to kill our own kind "simply because they would be an inconvenience"?
Because vegans are hypocrites, whilst we omnivores are consistent and healthier.Roman said:Why are so many vegans/vegetarians aghast at the idea of raising dumb animals for food meat, yet believe it's an unalienable right to kill unborn babies?
That gives me an idea...Genji said:I'm a carnivore and pro-abortion. I guess it's good we don't eat the fetuses huh!
James has convinced me that killing and eating animals for my own enjoyment is wrong. Cause you know, it hurts them.
So going on the basis of hurt, why is it ok to hurt unborn children, but not cows?
2. Not all unborn children can be hurt, since not all have the capacity for feeling pain.
Roman said:
So going on the basis of hurt, why is it ok to hurt unborn children, but not cows?
So it depends on how developed the fetus is + the rights of the mother. What count as the mother's rights? Her right to life? Her right to living a life not having been crippled by bearing the child? Her right to education? Where is the line drawn.
Personally, I eat meat because it's the fastest and easiest way to get a large number of amino acids into me in a short and tasty amount of time.
James R said:Hence, the best option is to allow mothers to decide for themselves, rather than have George W. Bush or some equivalent person decide how they ought to live their lives for them.
James R said:This ignores the morals of eating meat, of course.