Couple things...first, to John99...
So it was speed that made Hitler invade Poland and France and others, and fill concentration camps with Jews whom he later incinerated in large ovens or left to die in misery without food or water?
Sir, you a disgrace to the human brain if you think speed, or any combination of amphetemines, caused Hitler to kill millions of people.
Secondly, to PsychoTropicPuppy, I don't know what other evidences must be presented to you. I really don't. I have quoted Hitler calling religion and Christianity "deliberate lies". I have that entire post quoting Hitler numerous times talking about religion as a bane of human existence. Can you give me a good reason why such evidences should be laughed off so easily?
I understand if you don't agree. It's not cut-and-dry either way what Hitler really believed. But to say things like "I don't know where you get the idea he was an atheist"? Are you even being serious here? I feel insulted that you'd respond in such a way to a post I put effort into constructing.
But don't worry: I won't be making the mistake of engaging you in conversation ever again.
Amphetamines alter your behaviour and what not thus influence your actions. Ever tried it? You should, then you might understand that what John99 said isn't as far-fetched as you make it sound like. You're right when you say that Hitler's notions were already present before the speed consumption, however you're completely on the wrong road if you claim that addiction to speed doesn't influence one's reasoning and actions. It suffice to see what some people do under the influence of alcohol...and here we're just talking about...alcohol. And, from personal experience, I've seen what people do under the influence of pervitin, and taking that into consideration it truly is possible that with Hitler's alleged messianic complex, manic behaviour, easily influenced mind, paranoia, and dictatorial position, that a person like that would make such drastic measures to destroy ethnicities, groups of a certain ideology, etc. that supposedly threaten his existence, the existence of Germans and des Dritten Reiches.
If you don't think that it impairs your mind and functions then look at this web of a spider that was under the influence of amphetamines:
http://www.amphetamines.com/pervitin-spiders.html
Really, your insults towards John99's intelligence were absolutely uncalled for. But if you think that by insulting other people's intelligence without solidly backing up your disagreement against their theories, and so forth, you'll sound any smarter than them then you're mistaken, again. It doesn't require a high IQ to come off as a prick on an internet forum.
Now coming to the critical part concerning you and me:
Jdawg said:
Secondly, to PsychoTropicPuppy, I don't know what other evidences must be presented to you. I really don't. I have quoted Hitler calling religion and Christianity "deliberate lies". I have that entire post quoting Hitler numerous times talking about religion as a bane of human existence. Can you give me a good reason why such evidences should be laughed off so easily?
Since you seem to be slightly disappointed about me not having particularly validated your "effort" you've put into your meagre research about Hitler quotes. I'll endeavour to explain to you why I actually didn't.
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... "
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity...."
Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
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"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics."
Those quotes you've presented are from Hitler's Politisches Testament, and the thing is...this book is based on partially fake Bohrmann Diktate by Monsieur Genoud who falsified, added, removed, altered bits and pieces, plus the mistranslations from French into English, etc.
Here, the following links will go into it in a more detailed fashion about the faking of the Bohrmann Diktate:
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/2002/nov02/carrier.php
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testament/byGenoud.html
I will not deny that Hitler criticised the Church though. It is true that he was discontent with a few things concerning the Church's hierarchy and weaknesses as I've already mentioned before, but in spite of this, he was still a die-hard Christian. Also you should realise that Church and religion are not the same words and shouldn't be confused with each others.
Also, on this very occasion I'd like to quote Mister Krueger:
"So here's what evidence we have. There is a certain worldview, Nazism. Its leader, Hitler, professes on many occasions to be religious, and he often states that he's doing the will of god. The majority of his followers are openly religious. There is no evidence anywhere that this leader ever professed to anyone that he is an atheist. He and his followers actively campaign against atheism, even to the point of physical force, and this leader allies himself with religious organizations and churches. This is the evidence. So where does atheism fit in?"
On a side note: I actually wanted to expand my response a bit more since you've been quite a mischievous fellow. Yes, I've noticed your funny joke about me being the living proof that Hitler's rhetorical skills are persuasive. I wanted to point out that this response of yours was in reaction to the quotes I've posted. Seemingly you completely disregarded that half of those quotes were from Mein Kampf solidly balanced out with a few excerpts of his speeches, and even one private confession to his general. I'd be glad if you'd at least attempt to properly read through the posts you want to respond to before actually clicking on "Submit Reply".