Michael said:
Oh, there is no misconception betrayed. I think you meant to write: This reveals a truth. God as ALL POWERFUL and ALL KNOWING makes no sense. God makes no sense. Nonsensical things don’t exist. There are no Gods.
You're not making sense - you're just preaching. I don't know that God is all-powerful and all-knowing - I only know that the bible says nothing is too hard for God, thus I infer the rest. Anyway, explain to me why something which is all-powerful an all-knowing makes no sense? You must also grant, since we are talking about God, that God is a CREATOR. So, even if God is ALL-KNOWING (He knows everything) He can still create some new thing, and since He knows what He created, He is still all-knowing. You discount the possibility of creating new knowledge. Saying that God is ALL POWERFUL and ALL KNOWING makes perfect sense.
I just asked you to give me an answer of what you think. Apparently you don’t like to think?
I think a great deal - just not your kind of nonsense. Just because something does not make sense to you does not mean it does not make sense.
Again, so what, I asked you a few simply questions of God. I didn’t say God was contained by this or that. I asked a few questions of God and yet you seem to be to worried you might learn something to answer them.
Anyway David, you said God was all powerful and all knowing – not me.
Yes, I think this is true.
Oh good, you’re making an attempt but to make sure we’re on the same page could you just go through the list placing a yes at the end of each question.
Which book would that be? When was it given? How did it come about? Who wrote it? When was it written? Are there any mistakes in it?
Here watch: This is called an answer, I’d appreciate the same courtesy from you regarding my questions. David, why come to a religious forum and not participate by responding properly to questions about God?
Why would God be slightly amused? As God can not think God can not be amused David. Using your own information of God I can tell you straight up, according YOU, God knows all and therefore God can not by definition be amused. Amused occurs when one learns some information and thinks it’s funny. God can not do that so God can not be amused. So the answer is: God is never amused. God has no emotions. As you have defined God, I’d rather liken Him to a big Computer Hard drive in the sky.
God cannot think? How in the world do you come to that conclusion? Perhaps because He knows everything? You can think about what you know and you can think about something new. When God thinks about something new, then He expands everything that is known and before as well as after He thinks of the new thing He still is all-knowing. Your conclusions are faulty.
God does indeed have emotions - lots of them (you have never actually read the bible have you? Psalms 2 specifically says that God laughs.). How can you possibly come to the conclusion that all-knowing means non-emotional? I specifically reject your definition of amusement. Amusement comes from either being happy or holding someone/something in derision. Neither of these has anything to do with what I know. If I know that someone can be more than they are yet they choose not to live up to their potential it might make me sad. If I tell someone to do something and they don't do it (even if I knew they would not) I might get mad - you don't have any children do you? Your whole premiss is flawed which in turn flaws your conclusions.
As to courtesy, you give me no courtesy, why should I return the favor?
Your comments about the Greeks sounded almost disdainful. Funny that? Given that Greece is considered the birthplace of Western culture. Ironically, similarly to today – many educated Greeks realized there were no Gods. I can see why you don’t want to think about God – if you do - you may realize it’s all bullshaeet like we have
Yes, I am quite distainful of the Greeks and of their philosophy. I consider much of what is wrong in Western culture today to be an outgrowth of erroneous Greek philosophy.
David, I’m sure you’re a nice guy but if you’re not the ideal case study for brainwashing in its entirely then I don’t know what is? To set aside your entire faculties of reason and intellect all for some promise of getting to live after you die, now THAT’S scary to me.
So wrong. I left the "church" thirty-five years ago and have largely refused to believe anything I was taught by men unless I first questioned it in every way possible. I am well schooled in science and I have found science quite wanting and largely false. I have studied the history and theology of several religions and have found all but Judaism to be horribly lacking. I have, however, found the pure religion of Torah-based Messianic-Judaism to be (as far as I can tell) true. There have been no men to brainwash me. I have rejected most of the teachings of men. I have found one book, the bible (which is actually a collection of books), to be true, fair, honest and trustworthy. I have found that I cannot listen to any man concerning this book but I must read it alone ( I will confess to reading ancient history with as sceptical an eye as possible because I have found it impossible to understand the bible without the context of history). I suppose you might say that the bible itself has brainwashed me, but then again, I have highly questioned it over several decades and it has always turned out to be truthful and consistent. Might it be otherwise at some time in the future? Perhaps, and I will not dismiss such an occurance, but until that happens, this is the closest to truth I have found after long, long searching (perhaps even longer than you have been alive?).
Exactly where would you say I have been brainwashed? What reason do you think you have to offer me? As shown above, it is quite easy to show the fallacy of your "logic".
