I believe in the aquatic ape hypothesis and people persecute me for it.

I'm so sorry, nobody told me only the faithful believers of your eternal truth are allowed to insult any dissidents.
You came here - with an axe to grind, true - but presumably with some logic to back it up. Yes, when you run out of answers and your logic is easily dismantled, you fill your mouth with insults - not criticism, just empty name-calling.
 
You came here - with an axe to grind, true - but presumably with some logic to back it up. Yes, when you run out of answers and your logic is easily dismantled, you fill your mouth with insults - not criticism, just empty insults.
Yep.

I note a parallel between the aquatic ape theorists and creationists.

After losing several times in actual court cases, creationists withdrew and strategized. "How can we still slip creationism into schools?" they wondered. What they came up with was the Wedge Doctrine - they would change its name, edit their books to remove any mention of the word "God" and overall make it seem more science-y. Then they would demand that it be taught as an alternative to science, because they could make it "intelligent design" sound like science.

Something similar happened to the aquatic ape theory. After losing several times in the court of scientific opinion, they rebranded their theory "waterside hypothesis" to get some distance from their earlier claims, allowing them to try again. As Morgan explained, the term "aquatic ape theory" "no longer serves the particular models well – it carries baggage that elicits knee-jerk reactions."

Most adherents of this hypothesis also started getting away from the idea that there's a whole raft of adaptations that came from being aquatic. Instead they broke it up. Maybe they only got a little less hairy due to the need for more efficiency while swimming, and that's it. Maybe they changed their dentition slightly, and that's it. Maybe they only fished a bit and that's it. By breaking it down into more palatable chunks, they could work on smaller parts of the problem. Which is a good thing overall; that's a better way to do research.

There are, to be sure, some hardcore adherents to the theory that actually believe all the stuff that's in the poster above. Fortunately they are becoming more and more rare.
 
The point is not about the story being simple; the point is that you have only one perspective.

Galileo tried etertaining two. They still wanted to burn him alive.

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Fuck their bullshit, I'm sticking with the right one. It serves nothing to keep wasting time on the hysterical dogma that has been dead since at least 1995. Of course we are an old beach ape. Everything else is obsolete, and I refuse to leave you to your ignorance and fed lies.

What we are doing is easily dismantling the shoddy logic you offer. "Which would you prefer: this stinky, lifeless savannah, or this paradisical coastline?" Do you really think this is how educated people debate hypotheses?

Uhuh, "easily". Now go take a bath, sapiens.

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Galileo tried etertaining two.
#35: 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.
Crackpot Index

If you don't want to be seen as a crackpot, maybe stop pulling straight from the Crackpot Playbook.


I'm sticking with the right one.
And you are certainly welcome to! But what's that got to with with us? Unless you have some cogent argument to present.


Here we are on post 184.

Reporting to have the title of this thread changed to CE whines about how mean people were to him in the past and to flog a book he read - absent any ability to present a cogent argument for it, or an understanding of current competing hypotheses, or - apparently - what the African Savannah looks like in picture books.

Ah shoot. That exceeds the 150 character limit. Sorry CE, you're going to have to concede one of those items. Pick one; any one.
 
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#35: 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.
Yep. That's pretty high up on the woo list, although usually it's Einstein. And from the same list, I suspect we will soon see the grand trampling exit.

From a few years back:
===============================
Top Signs you are Reading Woo

Cranks often enjoy posting on science forums. Once they feel the thrill of making up some pseudoscientific woo, telling it to a friend and having the friend think they are clever - they come on line, find a science forum and post away, hoping for kudos and compliments on their imagination and intelligence. We see them here all the time.

But how can you tell a true crank from someone who is just confused, or someone who has a reasonable idea that is just not developed? How can you tell plain old errors from woo? Below is a guide to help with that decision. It lists several characteristics of cranks. If you see one of these characteristics, be wary. If you see several, well - either ignore the fellow or have some fun with him.

============================

1) The Einstein gambit. This gambit is perhaps the most popular attempt that cranks use to justify their woo. "Sure, they're laughing at me, but they laughed at Einstein too, you know!" By equating his situation to that of Einstein, the crank hopes to make it seem that his intelligence is akin to Einstein's - thus granting more validity to his woo.

2) The sheeple claim. Once a crank uses the word "sheeple" for the first time - to distinguish his own brilliance from the dull conformity of all the other "sheep" on a given forum - you know he's all woo. Use of this word is nearly inevitable for some types of cranks, especially 9/11 truthers and UFO believers.

3) The mathematical obfuscation. Often, cranks attempt to "prove their point" by throwing a bunch of math on the forum. This can be done several ways. Most commonly it's just unrelated math - constants with improbably large numbers of significant digits is a good clue here. More clever cranks will often use unrelated but accurate math to support their woo. For example, someone claiming zero point energy might post a few derivations of Maxwell's Equations to attempt to prove his point, then claim "if I'm wrong, show me where the math error is!" Support for tools like LaTex increases the odds he will try this, by making it easier to post equations.

4) Webster Rescue. Often when a crank is losing an argument he will resort to redefining words to try to ameliorate a previous error. For example: "The results you have presented show greater than 100% efficiency, which is thermodynamically impossible." "Well, really, what's the definition of efficiency? Can't it mean that . . . " He will then search out various online dictionaries until he finds a definition that is at least not entirely clear, at which point he will claim that that's the definition that is in common use.

5) The retcon. In comic books and science fiction, the "retroactive continuity" trick is often used to clear up previous continuity problems.. It is in effect saying "what REALLY happened is . . . ." Perhaps the most famous retcon is in episode V of Star Wars, where Obi-Wan tells Luke "well, yes, I told you your father was dead, but in fact turns out he's Darth Vader due to this complex explanation." On-line, people often use this angle to claim "Yes, I may have said this, but what I really meant was . . ." For example, a 9/11 conspiracy theorist might claim that no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. When examples are presented, he might change his story to "what I REALLY meant was that no TALL steel building has ever collapsed; that was obvious from my post."

6) The secret government conspiracy. Sometimes when a crank is challenged, and he feels he is unable to defend his point further, he will pull out the government conspiracy. He WOULD have more proof for his claim, you see, but the government is trying to suppress the information because blah blah blah. In general you will get no more useful information after this point, since if you try, he will accuse YOU of being part of the conspiracy.

7) Occam's Glue. In general, Occam's Razor describes the general rule that the simplest explanation that explains something is usually the correct one. Cranks use a version of that I call Occam's Glue - if something CAN be the explanation, it must be the explanation, even if simpler explanations suffice. UFO believers use this one a lot. "Yes, it could have been aircraft lights, or a meteor, or a planet, or low clouds - but how can all those explanations always be true? Some MUST be space aliens."

9) Magical thinking. If part of someone's proof for their woo is the list of wondrous boons that this technology will grant mankind, the odds are high that he or she is engaging in magical thinking - the belief that a fervent desire for something will make it valid. Cold fusion believers, for example, often will list all the beneficial changes in society that cold fusion will bring about - and therefore declare that it is a real power source.

10) The Googleblast. Some cranks, facing skepticism, will make a somewhat late attempt to justify woo by searching the Internet for support. They cannot, of course, do any serious research, since that would tend to disprove their woo. However since anything is available on the Internet, they can always find something to at least marginally support them. Their cycle goes like this: Read (forum) Search (google) Pick (something that says something close to what they are claiming) Post (link to related information.) This read-search-pick-post cycle can go on for dozens of posts. They feel that by posting enough marginally related links they have found independent proof of their claim.

11) Cyberturfing. This is related to the point above. In politics the term "astroturfing" is used to describe the false "grass-roots" support that politicians can fabricate. By funding political media efforts and making it look like the support is coming from many independent voters, they can claim much wider support than they otherwise could. Likewise, cyberturfing attempts to generate so many emails, websites, links, studies and articles that the crank can point to the mass of material and say "see? EVERYONE agrees!" They will often use tactics like submitting papers to vanity journals so they can claim their woo is "peer reviewed." 9/11 truthers are especially good at this.

12) The Patriotism Ploy. Often a crank will attempt to confabulate his woo with some other laudable ideal like patriotism, family values, freedom, prosperity etc. Thus, rather than arguing the validity of his woo, he can argue the desirability of prosperity - which is a much easier argument to make. For example, a climate change denier might say "you can't believe in climate change! If you do it will bankrupt the US and make Al Gore rich. Do you really want that?"

13) Quote-mining. Often cranks will search out quotes from well-respected people to support their position (the classic "appeal to authority") - and often will not be able to find the support they want. However, a carefully extracted quote might make it appear that they have such authoritative support. The most popular is a quote from Charles Darwin, often used by creationists: "To suppose that the eye . . .could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." The next lines then go on to explain how it is NOT absurd, but since cranks often gather most of their information via the above-mentioned read-search-pick-post method, they will generally miss that.

15) As seen on TV! Links to Youtube videos are one of the hallmarks of cranks. Whether this is due to cranks getting most of their information from videos, or whether it is due to the fondness of conspiracy theorists for Youtube, masses of Youtube links are one of the most common signs of the crank.

16) The argument from incredulity (i.e. "if I can't understand it, it is incorrect - and thus the explanation that I DO understand must be the correct one") is very common among cranks. Since they invariably have a very high impression of their own intelligence, any theory/explanation/process they do not understand must be incorrect.

And last but not least:

17) The Grand Trampling Exit. Often cranks, once they have realized that they are not going to get kudos and attaboys for their unconventional thinking, will make a "final post" that is usually along the lines of "you're all a bunch of idiots! I'm going to leave this once and for all, and deny you all the pleasure of my company. Instead I am going to post on a board where intelligent people have open minds!"

Reading the Grand Trampling Exit, readers of the forum might be tempted to breathe a sigh of relief as the signal to noise ratio improves. However this relief is often short-lived. Cranks love attention, and thus more often than not they come back sometime later, often with a statement along the lines of "well, I just had to say one more . . ." or "I realized you wanted me to leave, so I'm going to stick around to get back at you!"
 
The funny thing is it is 6 years since he last posted on this topic. Last time was Christmas Eve 2018:

That thread was quite short and is now rather funny to read, actually. It got shut down in pretty short order by Bells, though, as it was pure paranoid trollery.

I wonder what went FUNGG!! in his brain to make him come back and do a reprise after all that length of time. Off the meds, perhaps?

But I agree: it feels like about time for the Grand Trampling Exit......until a few more years have rolled by......
 
Yep.

I note a parallel between the aquatic ape theorists and creationists.

After losing several times in actual court cases, creationists withdrew and strategized. "How can we still slip creationism into schools?" they wondered. What they came up with was the Wedge Doctrine - they would change its name, edit their books to remove any mention of the word "God" and overall make it seem more science-y. Then they would demand that it be taught as an alternative to science, because they could make it "intelligent design" sound like science.

Something similar happened to the aquatic ape theory. After losing several times in the court of scientific opinion, they rebranded their theory "waterside hypothesis" to get some distance from their earlier claims, allowing them to try again. As Morgan explained, the term "aquatic ape theory" "no longer serves the particular models well – it carries baggage that elicits knee-jerk reactions."

Most adherents of this hypothesis also started getting away from the idea that there's a whole raft of adaptations that came from being aquatic. Instead they broke it up. Maybe they only got a little less hairy due to the need for more efficiency while swimming, and that's it. Maybe they changed their dentition slightly, and that's it. Maybe they only fished a bit and that's it. By breaking it down into more palatable chunks, they could work on smaller parts of the problem. Which is a good thing overall; that's a better way to do research.

There are, to be sure, some hardcore adherents to the theory that actually believe all the stuff that's in the poster above. Fortunately they are becoming more and more rare.

that-was-funny-d74ae4cc8e.jpg


Nothing has been strategized. The core idea hasn't changed since 1960. Morgan's brilliant angles was added, new data was added. Cunnane caught the angle to brain selective micronutrients. Rhys Evans predicted aural exostosis on erectus and confirmed them on Neanderthals.

It has done nothing but stick to its science. And it's still spot on. And you're still hysterical in your rejection. You have nothing left other than your fraternity's semantic variation of "heretic". Creationists are the ones denying evidence when presented as requested. And so are you. You refuse to even read Hardy's four lines of text that are now 54 years old, because they don't conform to your fed lie about it all. You desperately want these dissidents to believe in mermaids. It's just too damn inconvenient to your dogma that they never did. So you just don't care what they actually wrote. You will not read a single line of their heresy. Whatever your original intention, you have no freedom of thought either. Nullius in Verba does not apply.

"One of the reasons, I think, for an early hostility to it, was purely a feeling that, 'Well, why didn’t one of us come up with that? If it was true, one of us would have come up with it first.' It was a kind of incredulity almost, that this outsider could produce this theory which seemed to pull so many threads together. But there was also a feeling that they were all glancing around the room, feeling, 'Well, I can’t personally think of the knock down argument, but surely one of you can.' And there was the thing that, 'Which one of us is it that has got the knock down argument?' And it gradually became apparent that none of them had the knock down argument! And so they resorted to this kind of rhetoric about, 'Oh, she’s cobbled together a kind of collage of different facts and figures...' Which is exactly what scientific theory’s supposed to do. Why was Newton’s theory of gravity so important? Because it integrated everything from why the moon went round the earth to why apples fall. That is the key thing of a good scientific theory, that it does this linking job on a lot of phenomena, that were hitherto thought to be totally unrelated. And whatever the long term merits of the theory are judged to be, it certainly did that."
- Graham Richards,
2005
 
Yep. That's pretty high up on the woo list, although usually it's Einstein. And from the same list, I suspect we will soon see the grand trampling exit.

From a few years back:
===============================
Top Signs you are Reading Woo

Cranks often enjoy posting on science forums. Once they feel the thrill of making up some pseudoscientific woo, telling it to a friend and having the friend think they are clever - they come on line, find a science forum and post away, hoping for kudos and compliments on their imagination and intelligence. We see them here all the time.

But how can you tell a true crank from someone who is just confused, or someone who has a reasonable idea that is just not developed? How can you tell plain old errors from woo? Below is a guide to help with that decision. It lists several characteristics of cranks. If you see one of these characteristics, be wary. If you see several, well - either ignore the fellow or have some fun with him.

============================

1) The Einstein gambit. This gambit is perhaps the most popular attempt that cranks use to justify their woo. "Sure, they're laughing at me, but they laughed at Einstein too, you know!" By equating his situation to that of Einstein, the crank hopes to make it seem that his intelligence is akin to Einstein's - thus granting more validity to his woo.

2) The sheeple claim. Once a crank uses the word "sheeple" for the first time - to distinguish his own brilliance from the dull conformity of all the other "sheep" on a given forum - you know he's all woo. Use of this word is nearly inevitable for some types of cranks, especially 9/11 truthers and UFO believers.

3) The mathematical obfuscation. Often, cranks attempt to "prove their point" by throwing a bunch of math on the forum. This can be done several ways. Most commonly it's just unrelated math - constants with improbably large numbers of significant digits is a good clue here. More clever cranks will often use unrelated but accurate math to support their woo. For example, someone claiming zero point energy might post a few derivations of Maxwell's Equations to attempt to prove his point, then claim "if I'm wrong, show me where the math error is!" Support for tools like LaTex increases the odds he will try this, by making it easier to post equations.

4) Webster Rescue. Often when a crank is losing an argument he will resort to redefining words to try to ameliorate a previous error. For example: "The results you have presented show greater than 100% efficiency, which is thermodynamically impossible." "Well, really, what's the definition of efficiency? Can't it mean that . . . " He will then search out various online dictionaries until he finds a definition that is at least not entirely clear, at which point he will claim that that's the definition that is in common use.

5) The retcon. In comic books and science fiction, the "retroactive continuity" trick is often used to clear up previous continuity problems.. It is in effect saying "what REALLY happened is . . . ." Perhaps the most famous retcon is in episode V of Star Wars, where Obi-Wan tells Luke "well, yes, I told you your father was dead, but in fact turns out he's Darth Vader due to this complex explanation." On-line, people often use this angle to claim "Yes, I may have said this, but what I really meant was . . ." For example, a 9/11 conspiracy theorist might claim that no steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. When examples are presented, he might change his story to "what I REALLY meant was that no TALL steel building has ever collapsed; that was obvious from my post."

6) The secret government conspiracy. Sometimes when a crank is challenged, and he feels he is unable to defend his point further, he will pull out the government conspiracy. He WOULD have more proof for his claim, you see, but the government is trying to suppress the information because blah blah blah. In general you will get no more useful information after this point, since if you try, he will accuse YOU of being part of the conspiracy.

7) Occam's Glue. In general, Occam's Razor describes the general rule that the simplest explanation that explains something is usually the correct one. Cranks use a version of that I call Occam's Glue - if something CAN be the explanation, it must be the explanation, even if simpler explanations suffice. UFO believers use this one a lot. "Yes, it could have been aircraft lights, or a meteor, or a planet, or low clouds - but how can all those explanations always be true? Some MUST be space aliens."

9) Magical thinking. If part of someone's proof for their woo is the list of wondrous boons that this technology will grant mankind, the odds are high that he or she is engaging in magical thinking - the belief that a fervent desire for something will make it valid. Cold fusion believers, for example, often will list all the beneficial changes in society that cold fusion will bring about - and therefore declare that it is a real power source.

10) The Googleblast. Some cranks, facing skepticism, will make a somewhat late attempt to justify woo by searching the Internet for support. They cannot, of course, do any serious research, since that would tend to disprove their woo. However since anything is available on the Internet, they can always find something to at least marginally support them. Their cycle goes like this: Read (forum) Search (google) Pick (something that says something close to what they are claiming) Post (link to related information.) This read-search-pick-post cycle can go on for dozens of posts. They feel that by posting enough marginally related links they have found independent proof of their claim.

11) Cyberturfing. This is related to the point above. In politics the term "astroturfing" is used to describe the false "grass-roots" support that politicians can fabricate. By funding political media efforts and making it look like the support is coming from many independent voters, they can claim much wider support than they otherwise could. Likewise, cyberturfing attempts to generate so many emails, websites, links, studies and articles that the crank can point to the mass of material and say "see? EVERYONE agrees!" They will often use tactics like submitting papers to vanity journals so they can claim their woo is "peer reviewed." 9/11 truthers are especially good at this.

12) The Patriotism Ploy. Often a crank will attempt to confabulate his woo with some other laudable ideal like patriotism, family values, freedom, prosperity etc. Thus, rather than arguing the validity of his woo, he can argue the desirability of prosperity - which is a much easier argument to make. For example, a climate change denier might say "you can't believe in climate change! If you do it will bankrupt the US and make Al Gore rich. Do you really want that?"

13) Quote-mining. Often cranks will search out quotes from well-respected people to support their position (the classic "appeal to authority") - and often will not be able to find the support they want. However, a carefully extracted quote might make it appear that they have such authoritative support. The most popular is a quote from Charles Darwin, often used by creationists: "To suppose that the eye . . .could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." The next lines then go on to explain how it is NOT absurd, but since cranks often gather most of their information via the above-mentioned read-search-pick-post method, they will generally miss that.

15) As seen on TV! Links to Youtube videos are one of the hallmarks of cranks. Whether this is due to cranks getting most of their information from videos, or whether it is due to the fondness of conspiracy theorists for Youtube, masses of Youtube links are one of the most common signs of the crank.

16) The argument from incredulity (i.e. "if I can't understand it, it is incorrect - and thus the explanation that I DO understand must be the correct one") is very common among cranks. Since they invariably have a very high impression of their own intelligence, any theory/explanation/process they do not understand must be incorrect.

And last but not least:

17) The Grand Trampling Exit. Often cranks, once they have realized that they are not going to get kudos and attaboys for their unconventional thinking, will make a "final post" that is usually along the lines of "you're all a bunch of idiots! I'm going to leave this once and for all, and deny you all the pleasure of my company. Instead I am going to post on a board where intelligent people have open minds!"

Reading the Grand Trampling Exit, readers of the forum might be tempted to breathe a sigh of relief as the signal to noise ratio improves. However this relief is often short-lived. Cranks love attention, and thus more often than not they come back sometime later, often with a statement along the lines of "well, I just had to say one more . . ." or "I realized you wanted me to leave, so I'm going to stick around to get back at you!"

The grand exit comes when you block my account for refusing to shut up.
 
The funny thing is it is 6 years since he last posted on this topic. Last time was Christmas Eve 2018:

That thread was quite short and is now rather funny to read, actually. It got shut down in pretty short order by Bells, though, as it was pure paranoid trollery.

I wonder what went FUNGG!! in his brain to make him come back and do a reprise after all that length of time. Off the meds, perhaps?

But I agree: it feels like about time for the Grand Trampling Exit......until a few more years have rolled by......

'Cause then I was blocked. That was the grand exit. Good ol' fashioned censorship.
 
From a few years back:
===============================
Top Signs you are Reading Woo
This is great! It is like a crash summary of the top five trollers here on Sci Fo. I see MR, W4U, Trek, Axocanth and CE.
I'm going to bookmark it in a folder right next to the Crackpot Index. Thanks!
 
Your own source - Elaine Morgan - said the change was made to avoid "baggage" and "knee-jerk reactions." That is a strategy to get fewer negative reactions for her theory.

She started out stomping them in the groin for thinking with their dick. And then stopped doing that for everything else she wrote on the subject. But they just can't forgive that unfuckable grandma for mocking their manhood. These mighty professors entitled to fuck the prettiest girl students. All war is about sex.
 
Look in the mirror.
I do. I check myself frequently, as all of us should. Alas, I am unaware of ever having done any of those things.




Look, CE, you are your own worst enemy. You appear uninterested in actually promoting your ideas; instead you are consumed with bitching about past treatment, and reprising it by just flinging more poo. You clearly do not have the courage of your beliefs to let your case stand on its own merits. You are much more comfortable in a troll-y place, where you can just insult people without even the slightest attempt to set a positive tone for constructive discussion. We have to wonder why you've come here to post at all.

Unless ... unless you've just been kicked off some other forum, and have no where else to go?
 
She started out stomping them in the groin for thinking with their dick
Well, there ya go. When that's your approach to science, you're going to get some pretty wild theories! I love the aquafeminism posthuman feminist phenomenology version.

I prefer the more boring scientific-method approach myself.
 
I do. I check myself frequently, as all of us should. Alas, I am unaware of ever having done any of those things.

No shit.

Look, CE, you are your own worst enemy. You appear uninterested in actually promoting your ideas;

Which shows that you're not clicking any of those links. 'Cause who knows what you might read? You just can't give this heresy its due day. You know the Earth is still the center of the universe.

You clearly do not have the courage of your beliefs to let your case stand on its own merits.

Uhuh, clearly not.

You are much more comfortable in a troll-y place, where you can just insult people without even the slightest attempt to set a positive tone for constructive discussion. We have to wonder why you've come here to post at all.

Yeah, right, that wasn't allowed either, was it? That's why Kuliukas don't bother doing this anymore. You all descend into knifing unbelievers rather than have your faith proven wrong, no matter their tone. You're the same hysterical ape you have been for ten million years, picking them oysters didn't change any of that.

Unless ... unless you've just been kicked off some other forum, and have no where else to go?

I'm proud of being permantly kicked from Twitter. Before Putin invaded all of Ukraine, I called for his assassination for him launching the pandemic and murder 30 million people across the West for his fucking Motherland agenda. And now the US will be his Nazi America puppet, while he rapes the rest of Europe, 'cause they just couldn't lock up a former US president. That's what you get for hysterical censorship of inconvenient truths.
 
Well, there ya go. When that's your approach to science, you're going to get some pretty wild theories! I love the aquafeminism posthuman feminist phenomenology version.

I prefer the more boring scientific-method approach myself.

And therefore you don't need to read up on the rest. Who knows what you might find?

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Which shows that you're not clicking any of those links.
Correct. This is not a library; nor is it a bookstore window to flog your wares; it's a discussion forum.

We're not the ones with homework to do; you are. You have the responsibility to put forth your argument. The author is not here to defend themselves.


But I realize now, I initially seriously, seriously overestimated your subject matter knowledge as well as your purpose here.

You don't have a case to make, you're just here to plug a book that has you in thrall.

There's no discussion to be had here. I will withdraw and leave you to flog your book in peace.
 
Correct. This is not a library; nor is it a bookstore window to flog your wares; it's a discussion forum.

We're not the ones with homework to do; you are. You have the responsibility to put forth your argument. The author is not here to defend themselves.

But I realize now, I initially seriously, seriously overestimated your subject matter knowledge as well as your purpose here.

You don't have a case to make, you're just here to plug a book that has you in thrall.

There's no discussion to be had here. I will withdraw and leave you to flog your book in peace.

Good. If you're so afraid of having your world view challenged that you won't even read a few abstracts, then your opinion on this topic is irrelevant. But don't fret, you're far from being alone in your concerted ignorance. Millions are still voting for Trump the third time too. Peak of humanity right there. Happy extinction, sapiens, you were never better worth.
 
Correct. This is not a library; nor is it a bookstore window to flog your wares; it's a discussion forum.

We're not the ones with homework to do; you are. You have the responsibility to put forth your argument. The author is not here to defend themselves.


But I realize now, I initially seriously, seriously overestimated your subject matter knowledge as well as your purpose here.

You don't have a case to make, you're just here to plug a book that has you in thrall.

There's no discussion to be had here. I will withdraw and leave you to flog your book in peace.
I took a look back at some of the threads this poster started years ago on this forum. What is striking is that exactly the same images are used as in this thread, accompanied by a very similar stream of vituperative swearing. Nothing has progressed. No new arguments - well no arguments at all - are put forward.

It's just a re-run of old battles, apparently, right down to the same use of the Galileo Gambit. One wonders what the point is. Perhaps you are right that he has just been chucked out of another forum and this is the only one available that won't peremptorily ban him. Though I do think he might like to try the nutcase scienceforums.com site (the more serious .net one will throw him out within 10 posts).

I found that I had this to say to him, back in 2018:
As I've said many times before, the impartial scientist is under no obligation to listen to the ravings of every nutter on the street corner.

Now you are just such a nutter. You have been banging on about this, obsessively, for literally years, on several science forums. In that time the arguments have ben amply aired - and as far as I am concerned, convincingly dismissed.

If you now have a reputation as a partially deranged monomaniac, it is entirely your own fault. Slightly cruelly I quite enjoy putting 50p in your slot from time to time and observing the lights starting to flash and the pinging noises. But nobody is listening any more.


I had forgotten he's been at it on several forums, down the years. It all seems a bit medical, to be honest.
 
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