I believe in the aquatic ape hypothesis and people persecute me for it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Too fucking small.

Cool, I won a nickel off me.

 

[exchemist]

I ain't playing that part for you. Why do you feel the need to bring up a completely different idea? What, you can't slam down the one at hand without false attachment?

Then why did you claim Elaine Morgan’s books are banned, when that is plainly untrue?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Then why did you claim Elaine Morgan’s books are banned, when that is plainly untrue?

Because you're only ever told, you don't have to read them. Same thing.

And if you dare to have questions after reading them, your professor might actually tell you that you're in danger of not passing your exams. Yes, that has actually happened, and that's why she switched from paleoanthropology to biology. I have my reasons for my lack of good faith, 'cause that professor couldn't answer her inconvenient questions either. In the faculties, they clearly know what this is really about. And they don't give a flying fuck. We are to take their word for it, for their fraternity hold monopoly on human origin, and no voice from the wilderness shall challenge their dogma.

 

[exchemist]

Because you're only ever told, you don't have to read them. Same thing.

And if you dare to have questions after reading them, your professor might actually tell you that you're in danger of not passing your exams. Yes, that has actually happened, and that's why she switched from paleoanthropology to biology. I have my reasons for my lack of good faith, 'cause that professor couldn't answer her inconvenient questions either. In the faculties, they clearly know what this is really about. And they don't give a flying fuck. We are to take their word for it, for their fraternity hold monopoly on human origin, and no voice from the wilderness shall challenge their dogma.

Eh? Elaine Morgan read English at LMH, Oxford. She had no qualifications in any science subject. What are you talking about?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Eh? Elaine Morgan read English at LMH, Oxford. She had no qualifications in any science subject. What are you talking about?

Neither did Gregor Mendel.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Just read up a little, this is regarded as pseudoscience by main stream science.

And they're still wrong and petty little bitches.

As you said although attending probably the most prestigious University in the UK & planet, she studied Dickens, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Hardy, Bronte and some American stuff. NOT, Leaky, Darwin, Weinberg Fisher, Mayr, Hardy, Maynard smith, Hamilton or Trivers.

No, she did read them too. Which is why she got those two honorary degrees and an OBE for services to science.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Eh? Elaine Morgan read English at LMH, Oxford. She had no qualifications in any science subject. What are you talking about?

Gregor Mendel read the Bible.

 

[billvon]

Neither did Gregor Mendel.

Gregor Mendel studied theoretical physics at the University of Olomouc. He then entered an abbey (because abbeys paid for education for their priests) and studied under Johann Karl Nestler, who was researching hereditary traits of plants and animals. Nestler was the head of the Department of Natural History and Agriculture.

He then enrolled in the University of Vienna for his graduate work. There he studied under Christian Doppler, who you may have heard of.

It seems that we have now gotten to the part of the discussion where you are so angry that you are just spewing lies, hoping something sticks.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Gregor Mendel studied theoretical physics at the University of Olomouc. He then entered an abbey (because abbeys paid for education for their priests) and studied under Johann Karl Nestler, who was researching hereditary traits of plants and animals. Nestler was the head of the Department of Natural History and Agriculture.

He then enrolled in the University of Vienna for his graduate work. There he studied under Christian Doppler, who you may have heard of.

It seems that we have now gotten to the part of the discussion where you are so angry that you are just spewing lies, hoping something sticks.

Galileo grinded lenses. Scientific breakthrough don't need a paper trail.

 

[Pinball1970]

And they're still wrong and petty little bitches.



No, she did read them too. Which is why she got those two honorary degrees and an OBE for services to science.

Mostly literary from what I can see and pop sci

What papers she publish?

 

[Pinball1970]

And they're still wrong and petty little bitches.



No, she did read them too. Which is why she got those two honorary degrees and an OBE for services to science.

Anyway all the critiques seem to dismiss it as either having no evidence to support it or just pseudoscience . Do you always opt for fringe over consensus?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Mostly literary from what I can see and pop sci

What papers she publish?

GScholar

 

[CEngelbrecht]

Anyway all the critiques seem to dismiss it as either having no evidence to support it or just pseudoscience .

So they did to Alfred Wegener. For half a century too.

Do you always opt for fringe over consensus?

No. While you do the opposite. You don't have freedom of thought either.

 

[Pinball1970]

GScholar

ill check. What was the response from the community on her published scientific work?

 

[CEngelbrecht]

ill check. What was the response from the community on her published scientific work?

Increasing support over later decades. As independent research makes the headway that the fraternity should have been doing instead of keep crying like little bitches about it.

 

[exchemist]

Neither did Gregor Mendel.

You claimed, in post 85, that Morgan studied palaeoanthropology and switched to biology due to pressure from her university tutor. That’s just shit that you have made up, isn’t it? Because she never studied either at university.

Or does the “she” you are referring to perhaps mean some other person entirely? In which case who the devil are you talking about?

 

[exchemist]

GScholar

None of those are scientific papers by Elaine Morgan.

They are references to books she published, in her capacity as a journalist and writer.

(Boris Johnson, another journalist and writer, has a book out at the moment, too.)

 

[CEngelbrecht]

You claimed, in post 85, that Morgan studied palaeoanthropology and switched to biology due to pressure from her university tutor. That’s just shit that you have made up, isn’t it? Because she never studied either at university.

Or does the “she” you are referring to perhaps mean some other person entirely? In which case who the devil are you talking about?

No, that wasn't Morgan. That was a fellow biology grad student of mine maybe a quarter of a century back now. She was out right told by a professor of paleoanthropology that asking these kinds of (for him clearly unanswerable) questions about Morgan's beach apes was endangering her passing her exams. 'Cause this was banned knowledge. Then she had to flee that corrupted field. My anger has reasons, 'cause all of you are doing exactly the same thing. You too are disgusted that some people keep pointing out that it's just not crazy, when you "know" it's supposed to be. You're as much stuck in dogma as creationists are. You too think we know everything already and will not accept challenges to the dogma coming from outside the cloth.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

None of those are scientific papers by Elaine Morgan.

They are references to books she published, as a journalist and writer.

You stopped looking.

 

[CEngelbrecht]

One failure does not invalidate the plausibility of the theory. This is just not how logic - let alone science - works.

Unless it's the Fraternity, the only clergy allowed to speak up about it. No voices from the wilderness are allowed, we already know everything. The cardinals shouldn't have allowed Raymond Dart to keep babbling about that ape skull from South Africa.

What you are doing is tantamount to taking one shot at sinking a basketball, failing, and declaring that the nature of basketball is stupid.

Sure, that makes sense.

To declare it non-viable, you have to plug every hole. For example: what makes you think they had no access to water? Is this a guess? I think it's a guess.

Just by doing that, I have done way more science on that item than the Fraternity has.

I'm not really interested in what you or I thinks is common sense or whether we personally can manage the feat. Neither of us are experts, and neither of us are even remotely good test subjects.

It is astonishing that you would make such a weak argument. Let's apply your logic to your AAH:
"I choose myself as a test subject. I personally can't swim. Therefore no one else could possibly do it. Therefore hunting in the sea is stupid. I have disproven AAH."

'Cause you've never picked up anything at the beach from chest high water.

Again: you are presumably more knowledgable than I about AAH, and you can hardly string together a logical argument, what with all your red herrings.

You're the one doing the straw man like a muddafukka here.

I am not convinced it's any less relevant then your opinion on the topic, if we go by what you've laid down so far.

Then read up.