OK, I'll clarify my argument for those of you who'd like to respond.
Here is my thesis:
"But gay and lesbians are a gateway and stepping stone towards other groups which I do not accept."
Meaning to say that laws accepting gays and lesbians cases, will be a gateway to accepting transsexual cases.
Here is my argument:
"We shouldn't be promoting these identity disorders, because they pervert humanity and are essentially abnormal mental behavior."
Now, onto responding to Balerion.
This statement makes no sense. The conservatives who are quoting biblical scripture are obviously Christian conservatives. Atheist conservatives obviously aren't quoting scripture as justification for their beliefs.p
Yes, I meant "conservatives" as in the Republican party (the term is almost interchangeable, here in Canada the Conservative party IS the homologue to the GOP). The Republican politicians, representing the Republican party, do base many of their stances from a biblical view. My point is that this is alienating the rest of the republicans that aren't christian. So instead of approaching things from a Christian Republican standpoint, they should approach things as from a Republican standpoint instead. In other words, they represent the Republican party not the christian Republican party.
This is a false statement. Homosexuality does not lead to transsexualism. It's an entirely different trait that has to do with sexual identity, not sexual preference.
Read explanation of thesis. And yes, some distorted form of homosexuality is a requirement of transsexualism, because homosexuality deals with sex and gender, what exactly are you if you are a transwoman? You're a man by sex, woman by gender.
Not every statement has to contain a point (this is evident from the majority of your posts). But it may lead up to a point. So quoting a few statements and then asking "Whats your point?" is really hilarious and ignorant on your part.
Why is it a perversion? If people cannot help how they identify sexually, is gender reassignment surgery not a correction of the original mistake? And why should it be something that concerns you one way or the other?
If a person cannot help how they identify racially (asian man feels like black man) or how they identify taxonomically (human feels like monkey), is reassignment surgery a CORRECTION of the original mistake? This is not a correction, because it is an error to identify the original status as a mistake. Because there is nothing wrong with being an asian man. Or being a black man. But there is something inherently wrong with being an asian man trying to become a black man. Refer to the end of my first post to why you should care or be concerned.
This is a straw man. No one is suggesting reassigning fetuses. The problem doesn't arise until the person is old enough to recognize it anyway, so no one would know it until then, making the scenario you proposed absolutely fucking ridiculous.
You can call it a strawman, I don't consider it such because its a slippery slope. Lets use the homosexuality movement as an example (although I am not opposed it, its a good example of how one landmark case FOR something leads to another). Proponents wanted gays and lesbians to be treated as normal human beings. (But people argued that they'll receive the same rights as people in such areas as this this and this, no no, that is a stawman). Gays and lesbians wanted equal rights in terms of marriage (But people argued that they'll receive the same rights as parents such as this, this and this, no no, that is a strawman). Now just last week, supreme court ruled that a lesbian non-biological mother has the same rights as the biological mother of the children. So yes, in line with being progressive and moving forward, one will lead to another until conservatives draw a line with liberals.
Would transsexual people want their children as transsexuals, would homosexual people want their children as homosexuals, would heterosexual people want their children as heterosexual? The argument is not so far reaching.
This is an appeal to the absurd, and a logical fallacy. Are there any biological conditions you know of which create racial identity issues? And so what if they did? Why is it any concern of yours what race I am?
You should apologize for this one. Seriously. This is the religionist's argument against gay marriage almost verbatum.
I'm not apologizing for anything. Eg. You're a white male human. To think you're a female, is as perverse as thinking you're asian, is as perverse as thinking you're any other animal other than a human being.
You haven't explained how they "pervert" humanity. And nobody's promoting these disorders (whatever the fuck that means). Rather, we're acknowledging them, and treating them. What is your alternative? Pretend they don't exist, and allow people to suffer because the surgery makes you uncomfortable? Why the hell is your opinion of any relevance?
You don't treat a disorder by entertaining it. You don't tell schizophrenics that their imaginary friends are real. So by the same token that you shouldn't give surgical procedures to people with gender identity disorder, you don't give gifts to the imaginary friends of schizophrenia patients. This is promoting it.
How do you know? Gender identity is something expressed verbally, so how are to know if a male bear feels like a female bear? And going by your logic, then surgery of any kind is a perversion. So is medicine, and television, and everything else that we can't see elsewhere in nature. So let's stop pretending that this has anything to do with what's natural and what isn't.
Because the female bear isn't taping an artificial penis to herself to act like a male bear..... I can't tell what animals are thinking, but they're definitely not as screwed up as humans. No, my line of reasoning doesn't follow that surgery of any kind is a perversion of humanity. Repairing limbs, transplanting vital organs, this is an advocation of humanity and life. Amputating your arms and replacing it with legs instead, that would be a perversion of humanity. We can disagree on what would constitutes a perversion of humanity, but take your 4 legged humans with you.
As for your last argument, it really is a strawman. I said that gender identity disorder was an abnormal mental behavior, which it is. But I didn't say that everything abnormal or non-natural was bad. I didn't say people with IQ of 200, or people with synesthesia, or that medicine or television was bad (lol!). But you should not promote abnormal mental behavior like gender identity disorder
And lastly, this actually has everything to do with what is natural and what isn't. When I say perversion of humanity, I'd like to think that there is some natural sanctity to humanity, that is why we must respect each others rights as human beings. All our inherent rights and laws are made with regards to "humans" (All
human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.). Once you start to defile what is human, then you start to break that respect and sanctity.
Just because people have an opposing belief, doesn't make them bigots. What constitutes a bigot is someone who has complete disregard for other's beliefs and vehemently opposes anything other than his own opinion; and it is apparent throughout the forum quarrels that you are the epitome of such.