John99 said:
Depends on the gang, and the power and reach of it.
How do you feel about guns?
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Depends on the gang, and the power and reach of it.
TimeTraveler::
You voted them in.
Most people are not psychopaths. You can usually safely assume they won't kill you for no reason.
Your climate of fear blows the risks of stranger attack out of all proportion.
You have far more chance of being killed in a car accident than of being shot or otherwise killed by a stranger. Yet you have an irrational fear of strangers, and little to no fear of cars.
It just proves my point.
This is paranoid. Most people do not kill "for any reason". Most need what they consider to be a good reason to kill you, and very few will consider it worth killing you, in fact.
I think it's because your media concentrates on violent crime to a ridiculous extent. So, you imagine everybody is out to get you. It just isn't true. And if it was true, your gun wouldn't help you.
So, do you walk away from the strangers in the alley, or do you pull your gun and confront them? Which act is likely to lead to a better outcome?
This just proves my point once again. You are paranoid for no good reason. Your fears are irrational.
You voted them in.
Most people are not psychopaths. You can usually safely assume they won't kill you for no reason.
Your climate of fear blows the risks of stranger attack out of all proportion.
You have far more chance of being killed in a car accident than of being shot or otherwise killed by a stranger. Yet you have an irrational fear of strangers, and little to no fear of cars.
It just proves my point.
This is paranoid. Most people do not kill "for any reason". Most need what they consider to be a good reason to kill you, and very few will consider it worth killing you, in fact.
I think it's because your media concentrates on violent crime to a ridiculous extent. So, you imagine everybody is out to get you. It just isn't true. And if it was true, your gun wouldn't help you.
So, do you walk away from the strangers in the alley, or do you pull your gun and confront them? Which act is likely to lead to a better outcome?
This just proves my point once again. You are paranoid for no good reason. Your fears are irrational.
Neildo:
They are nameless, faceless, imagined threats, like I said.
What would the 19 year old kid have done if he had had a gun, I wonder?
Let me get this straight. They immigrate, and also hate white people? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I don't have a problem with authorised people such as police carrying guns, provided strict limits are put on their use. Police sometimes need guns. The average red neck like you does not.
See above.
Maybe you should move to someplace where you don't live in fear. It can't be good for your long-term health.
Or, maybe you should lobby for gun control laws, and eliminate one of your fears.
Pure paranoia.
They are nameless, faceless, imagined threats, like I said.
What would the 19 year old kid have done if he had had a gun, I wonder?
Let me get this straight. They immigrate, and also hate white people? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I don't have a problem with authorised people such as police carrying guns, provided strict limits are put on their use. Police sometimes need guns. The average red neck like you does not.
See above.
Maybe you should move to someplace where you don't live in fear. It can't be good for your long-term health.
Or, maybe you should lobby for gun control laws, and eliminate one of your fears.
Pure paranoia.
Neildo: I don't think anyone would object to police officers (even off-duty ones) carrying guns.
Personally I wouldn't even object to you carrying one - you seem smart and responsible enough.
It's people like Time Traveler and Baron Max that I worry about. Frankly, I wouldn't trust them with a rolled-up newspaper, much less a loaded weapon!
P.S. I took a look at that report you linked to. It's a bit biased, isn't it? For instance, it asserts that UK gun control paranoia started to rear it's head after the 1987 Hungerford and 1996 Dunblane shootings. The truth, I have to tell you, is that we've always favoured gun control, since Time began. Indeed we simply don't have, and never have had, a gun-owning culture. It simply wouldn't make sense to us, after incidents like these, to head for the armament shops and stock up on howitzers. Our instincts - and I think they're the right ones - are always to make guns even harder to get hold of. The report makes it seem like gun control is a recent idea for us when the truth is that the idea of waving guns around is an alien concept.
And this militia thing. The 'right to bear arms' thing. Yet more alien concepts. I mean, these ideas were conceived in the 1770s, weren't they (have I got my history right there?). Are they not now a bit... outdated? It seems laughable to me. Do Americans seriously envisage a day where they'll have to rise up against a corrupt government and overthrow it. If so, I'd suggest (and I know you'll agree with me, my strange, trigger-happy liberal friend) that the time to do it is now! The world cheered when you lopped off the head of Iraq's insane regime.. now do the same inside your borders! But seriously.. all this militia nonsense.. what's the modern-day thinking behind this ludicrous, outmoded crap? I'd genuinely like to know.
Happy shootin'.
Personally I wouldn't even object to you carrying one - you seem smart and responsible enough.
It's people like Time Traveler and Baron Max that I worry about. Frankly, I wouldn't trust them with a rolled-up newspaper, much less a loaded weapon!
P.S. I took a look at that report you linked to. It's a bit biased, isn't it? For instance, it asserts that UK gun control paranoia started to rear it's head after the 1987 Hungerford and 1996 Dunblane shootings. The truth, I have to tell you, is that we've always favoured gun control, since Time began. Indeed we simply don't have, and never have had, a gun-owning culture. It simply wouldn't make sense to us, after incidents like these, to head for the armament shops and stock up on howitzers. Our instincts - and I think they're the right ones - are always to make guns even harder to get hold of. The report makes it seem like gun control is a recent idea for us when the truth is that the idea of waving guns around is an alien concept.
And this militia thing. The 'right to bear arms' thing. Yet more alien concepts. I mean, these ideas were conceived in the 1770s, weren't they (have I got my history right there?). Are they not now a bit... outdated? It seems laughable to me. Do Americans seriously envisage a day where they'll have to rise up against a corrupt government and overthrow it. If so, I'd suggest (and I know you'll agree with me, my strange, trigger-happy liberal friend) that the time to do it is now! The world cheered when you lopped off the head of Iraq's insane regime.. now do the same inside your borders! But seriously.. all this militia nonsense.. what's the modern-day thinking behind this ludicrous, outmoded crap? I'd genuinely like to know.
Happy shootin'.
John99 said:
Where are the guns?
And yes it is bad. having a big house doesn't equal good living.
Anyway. How come americans are so passive? The hungarians found out the government lied to them and they take to the streets and make a mess.
Americans know the government lied to them and they sit at home and watch TV. Polishing their gun. Apparently they think their government is totally corrupt. Their police is totally corrupt. And they sit at home and watch TV. polishing their guns.
Americans are never going to rise to the government. They are too selfish. They only care about themselves. You can't organize a revolt with people who only act in their own interests.
Americans know the government lied to them and they sit at home and watch TV. Polishing their gun. Apparently they think their government is totally corrupt. Their police is totally corrupt. And they sit at home and watch TV. polishing their guns.
Americans are never going to rise to the government. They are too selfish. They only care about themselves. You can't organize a revolt with people who only act in their own interests.
James R said:
I'm not paranoid, look at the world, there are perhaps millions, maybe billions, who hate you at this very moment, who are thinking about ways to kill you, and thats not paranoid, thats fact. The world has always been filled with hateful psycho killers, terrorists, criminals, and powerful ruthless individuals. Just because you don't see them, it does not mean they can't see you.
You are correct, most of the time they don't pay any attention to you because they are busy fighting their enemies, but it does not change the fact that there are people, billions, who are psychopaths, violent, and hateful, and who want to harm you and anyone else who gets in their way of getting whatever it is they want.
You are going to say it's irrational, yes it's irrational, and religion is the cause of this behavior, not science, not logic, it's religion. If you are so brave, if you are so bold, why don't you take a walk through the middle east, into Iran, right now, and tell them you are an American, and see what happens. What about Iraq? Afganastan? Pick any country in the middle east and go visit, show me how brave you are.
Now, realize that the world is more religiously unstable than it has ever been. There is more hate in the world right now than there has ever been. There are more sophisticated weapons in the world right now than there has ever been. There is also more wealth and income gaps in the world now than there has ever been. We are in the middle of what could be world war 3, we are worried about avian flus, natural disasters, terrorism, and the end of the world. We are worried about climate change, we are worried about poison spinach, we are worried about mad cow, we are worried about toxins in the drinking water, we are worried about all of these things, and the environment day by day only gets worse.
You are telling me we are paranoid? If you aren't paranoid during world war 3, you are either crazy, or a religious fanatic that actually hopes for the end of the world, which is it? I myself am afraid of the end, if you want to welcome it with open arms thats your choice, but I think it's more rational to be paranoid in the least secure time in human history, than to be calm.
spuriousmonkey said:
Americans are not passive, we are just smart enough to know that taking it to the streets accomplishes nothing. People took it to the streets during the civil rights movement, this is not the 60s, and America is not Hungry. America is a military superpower, and if people decided to take it to the streets, they'd likely have to face tanks and military weaponry before being declared terrorists and thrown into a prison somewhere.
Terrorism is not the answer, taking it to the streets is called hooliganism at best and terrorism at worst. Once again, it does not make the country more stable to take it to the streets. Taking it to the streets risks the destruction of the country itself. That's not in any of our best interest, we are not Hungry.
None of us want a revolt. Stop trying to force Americans into a revolt that we don't even want. It's not going to make us feel more secure, or increase our security in any way to have a revolt. Who knows what would happen during that revolve, we could be attacked by any number of countries that want to take advantage of the chaos of a revolt. And the result of it all would likely be that America could cease to exist.
Trust me, a revolt is not in America's best interest, or the worlds best interest. The global economy would never tolerate it, and neither would the majority of Americans. Just because you disagree with the policies of the President, it does not mean that there should be a riot. That's exactly what Al Qaeda is hoping for, Al Qaeda is hoping that Americans revolt and get into a huge riot, they want this country to collapse and so do you.
James R said:
Why is it that everyone who wants gun control, happens to be from Europe, and everyone advocating stuff like revolts happens to live overseas? Do people really want to see America fall apart?
I don't get it, people want to arm the criminals, and then in another paragraph someone else is saying Americans should revolt against each other, and then another paragaph it's back to giving guns to criminals.
Do you think this makes me less paranoid, to see universal agreement among Europeans among others that Americans should disarm themselves and give all their weapons to the criminal elements?
You live in fear because of your economic system and you cannot change anything because of your economic system.
I can only say one thing regarding this: ha ha.
I can only say one thing regarding this: ha ha.
TimeTraveler said:
samcdkey said:
Sam don't you get it, with gun control, in AMERICA, the criminals with their uzis will take over the streets to the point where the police will be afraid of them, or there just won't be enough police to handle it. Gun control does not decrease the access to guns, it actually makes guns cheaper and more accessable because when gun control is in, the black market steps up shipments, this is why in the inner cities where theres gun control, you have all the latest military technologies and guns. Nothing stops a man from just going into the inner city and buying an uzi from an underground gun dealer.
This is not the same as a nuclear bomb. At this point a nuclear bomb is difficult enough to make and expensive enough so that only states can buy and make them. Gun's are a different situation.
Gun control will have the police going after anyone who owns a gun, good or bad. So this way the criminals and the police will work in teams to arrest the citizens who own illegal guns, because you know, the criminals need their fresh supply of victims and we can't have victi er citizens defending themselves can we?
spuriousmonkey said:
You are capitalist too, you act like you are communist. You chose capitalism for the same reason we Americans choose it. You have buyers remorse now? Well there's no other system. The economy is global now, it's globally capitalist.
I'm convinced you hate America. I bet you hate Americans too. You want to arm the criminals, you want there to be riots in the streets, I bet you enjoyed watching hurricane Katrina, and you like to watch Americans suffer. You want to take away our guns out of hate, not to make us more secure. It's not even rational to take away our guns to make us more secure, how exactly can you convince a person that taking their gun makes them more secure?
Yes!TimeTraveler said:
Then you support the right to bear arms against... who? Your own people? Wouldn't they be better aimed against the government that serves you, and America, so badly? Isn't retaining a gun in order to shoot your fellow citizens a sickening distortion of the original intent?TimeTraveler said:
TimeTraveler said:
I live in a social democracy actually. Despite being capitalist in nature there is plenty of room for socialist values in a society. And not surprisingly it works much better than in the USA. I do not need a gun for instance. I can walk drunk on any street of the capital in the middle of the night. I can let my children play on the street unsupervised. I do not have to fear anything.
It's heaven.
TimeTraveler said:
You seem to be a xenophobe. You seem to hate everybody who is not american. You think everybody is out there to get you. My son is american. Why would I hate him? I do not hate leopold (although we often disagree totally to a point of annoyance). I do not hate my american friends in real life. I don't actually care about your guns. Stick your gun up your ass if you want to and give it a good shine. It's all ok to me.
What I do protest to is when people like you defend the unnatural life you lead and proclaim it is normal. And what is worse you want to spread you way of life and your ideas into the world.
Guns are not safe. Guns are not needed for protection. If you have a gun in holland you are obliged to lock it away. Not keep it next to your bed with a cell phone and a flashlight.
The same in Switserland. They don't keep guns at home for self defense. They are locked away safely.
That won't work. Apparently the only reason why some of us don't live in fear is because we are oblivious to the dangers around us. Ignorance and bliss and all that.....apparently.James R said:
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I don't know how I'd feel if billions of people hated me.
I would be worried sick because I cannot afford billions of bullets.