grimreaper
Registered Senior Member
rrealy people say they do it
how is it done
i have some issues to deal with.
how is it done
i have some issues to deal with.
how do you communicate with the dead?
Originally posted by Ellimist
You don't. It is called cold reading. Anyone can do it, who is willing to learn.
It involves the same type of the stuff that astrologers use... barnum statements... statements that can be attributed to many people, depending on how each person interprets it.
and it also involves common sense...
first of all, if someone is getting a reading done, someone they know has died, most likely a family member, and this can be helped by the age of the person interested.
The "medium" can just throw out any letter that a name begins with and see if it goes anywhere... one of the biggest tricks is to get the person interesting in contacting the dead to give the "medium" answers to his/her questions.
It is pure bullshit. There are no ghosts, no spirits, no souls... floating around us all the time. To believe that, you must live in a very fucked up world where laws of science no longer function; but considering the laws of physics/bio/chem have yet to be refuted to allow supernatural events to occur, all "mediums" are, are logicians and magicians... that is all.
When someone dies, they are gone... forever. The brain stops functioning. There are no souls... when was the last time you definitively saw a "soul"... NEVER. If you saw something you couldn't explain, it is illogical to immediately consider it supernatural... try to understand it first.
The dead are dead. Gone. Decomposing. No more thinking, or feeling, or COMMUNICATING.
Originally posted by grimreaper
Ellimist
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you said that my argument was based on visibility yet you asked "when was the last time you definitively saw a "soul"... NEVER"
i do know that immediately after death the body loses a certain unexplained mass
the studies mentioned were done by Cambridge, Harvard, Oxford, MIT, ....
Originally posted by Ellimist
grimreaper:
Have you considered periods(.) or sentence structure?
Where is the documentation of this purported "lost mass"?... substantiate your claims. again, what studies? what were their conclusions? did they find a soul, or evidence of anything supernatural? and if so, why haven't we heard more about it in the media, ever?
And even if the body does lose 4 oz. at death, how is that evidence of a soul? Why a soul and not a little gnome that lives in your ass? Because your bible says your souls leaves your body at death? This is gullibility, this is brainwashing.
Disturbing dreams, hallucinations... happens to everyone... make a point, please.
I am completely open minded, for if I am shown legitimate evidence of something, I will no longer be skeptical of it. But, in the past, every time I have come across something that claims to be supernatural or something as yet unexplained by science, and now is, I either question it until I figure out why it is wrong, or it is refuted by another source.
Examples:
http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-01/medium.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-11/pet-psychic.html
ALL I ASK IS THAT IF YOU MAKE A CLAIM THAT SOMETHING OCCURS THAT IS CONSIDERED SUPERNATURAL, PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM WITH EVIDENCE.