how can Islam be considered an abrahamic religion?

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M*W:
1. Since there were no photographs taken of Abraham, we really don't know what color he was, not that it matters. I wouldn't go so far as to say all ancient Egyptians were Black. The mummies discovered weren't all Black.

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M*W:
2. I'm confused about what you're confused about. Are you referring to my references? If so, I've quoted everything that was stated verbatim. The other stuff without the quotes (except those few instances where I quoted within a statement to show significance of the words). There are several citations that were written in the first person. I know that's confusing. If you want me to clarify any statements, specify them and I'll do what I can to explain.

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M*W:
3. How do you spell "Egypt?" What other names are you referring to?
MW:
1. think about it, doesn't it make sense that if humans original homeland was Africa, that we are all descendent's of the African "Adam" & "Eve", then we're all "blacks" that mutated into white, Asian, etc...
check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/999030.stm
2. I had trouble reading your post, I couldn't always tell which were your personal words & which were quotes, it seemed that there were no differentiations, except the "footnotes". so that I didn't know when your words ended & the quotes you used started, I had to re-read it to tell
3. Egypt & Egyptian both look wrong, like the g & y should swap? "Eygpt" I spell it either way, looks like its spelled wrong
 
it seems to me that Islam is its own religion, unlinked to Judeo/Christianity or even Abraham (who's buried in Hebron in Israel, not in Mecca)
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/hebron-tombs-of-the-patriarchs.htm

wouldn't Islam be more properly called Mohammedanism, after its founder; the Hadiths are supposed to be sayings of how he lived his life, what he said, ate, slept, etc...

why is Mohammad the example used or exemplified? & why him (as supposedly a perfect Muslim) & not someone else (say Abraham or Jesus?)?
I'm asking because supposedly in the Koran, Mohammad needed to be forgiven for his sins???, while Jesus is considered "sinless" in the Koran??? does that make sense?
 
MW:
1. think about it, doesn't it make sense that if humans original homeland was Africa, that we are all descendent's of the African "Adam" & "Eve", then we're all "blacks" that mutated into white, Asian, etc...
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M*W: If we (our genes) came from out of Africa, it doesn't necessarily mean that we were Black. The theory is that different peoples arose in different gene pools all over the world and not just out of Africa. However, I have no problem with my genes coming out of Africa, because my ancestors adapted to a Europeanesque Caucasian. We all may have the same mitochondrial DNA that we got from our ancestral mother, but we had to adapt to the location in which we lived as well as to the climate and food supply. Otherwise, we would have died out.
2. I had trouble reading your post, I couldn't always tell which were your personal words & which were quotes, it seemed that there were no differentiations, except the "footnotes". so that I didn't know when your words ended & the quotes you used started, I had to re-read it to tell
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M*W: My comments were interspersed between the cited material. I think I did miss putting an end-quote on one of the citations. Would you like me to go back and highlight either my words or the references quotes?
3. Egypt & Egyptian both look wrong, like the g & y should swap? "Eygpt" I spell it either way, looks like its spelled wrong
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M*W: Where I come from that is the way we spell "Egypt" and "Egyptian." Hordes of colorful people who came out of India and crossed the Balkans were mistakenly referred to a slang version of "Egyptian." They were called "gypsies."

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it seems to me that Islam is its own religion, unlinked to Judeo/Christianity or even Abraham (who's buried in Hebron in Israel, not in Mecca)

Frankly, you are incorrect. Islam has more in common with Judaism than even Christianity, thus Islam is part of the Abrahamic faiths. Abraham is the father of Isaac (the father of the Jews) and Ismail (the father of the Arabs), hence both have a relation to Abraham.

wouldn't Islam be more properly called Mohammedanism, after its founder; the Hadiths are supposed to be sayings of how he lived his life, what he said, ate, slept, etc...

No, because Muslims believe Islam is the religion of all the prophets starting with Adam (peace be to him), however the only uncorrupted message is from the last prophet. Muhammadan ism is insulting to Muslims, we don't worship Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him), we worship the one and only God, God of Abraham.

why is Mohammad the example used or exemplified? & why him (as supposedly a perfect Muslim) & not someone else (say Abraham or Jesus?)?
I'm asking because supposedly in the Koran, Mohammad needed to be forgiven for his sins???, while Jesus is considered "sinless" in the Koran??? does that make sense?

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) is the last prophet and the seal of the prophets. More is known about him than is known about Prophets Jesus and Abraham (peace be to them), simply because he is the latest of the prophets, the prophet sent to guide all of humanity. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sinless, just as Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was. They were both chosen as prophets because of their benevolence as prophets.

Do you have any concrete reasons why Islam should not be considered an Abrahamic religion?
 
if Abraham was Egyptian, than he would be black, I went to the LA museum when they had that Egyptian stuff, I have an uncle that says early Egyptians were black until they started getting conquered by all these white people; Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs
The Ancient Egyptians were not of the same stock as the sub-Saharan Africans, at least based on what little we can deduce from such evidence as their language. They were most probably members of a large ethnic group that included people on both sides of the Red Sea, including the Semites. The Afro-Asiatic language family includes Egyptian, Amharic, Hebrew, Arabic and Aramaic, among many others.
dude, my uncle's says that Africans have all the genes to make other races.
His point is basically valid. DNA analysis performed just in the last couple of years, coupled with extensive anthropological and archeological research, settles the issue incontrovertibly that all humans outside of Africa are the descendants of two waves of migration out of Africa roughly 50,000 years ago. (There are a couple of threads on SciForums with citations.) Furthermore, we're the descendants of one fairly small group, and the ones who stayed behind are the San or Bushmen. We're not so closely related to other Africans at all. But to get back to the point, fifty thousand years is a long time and many mutations have taken place. Some of the genes that identify specific non-African ethnic groups may not have existed when our ancestors were in Africa. Many visible traits such as skin color are quite ephemeral and can just as easily be the result of mutation and environmental factors, as much as ancestry.
wouldn't Islam be more properly called Mohammedanism, after its founder;
That is in fact what most Americans called it back in the 1950s. And the people were Mohammedans.
An Abrahamic religion would by definition be based on the religion of Abraham as its foundation, regardless of how many stories were built on top of it.
We outsiders see a clear commonality among Judaism, Christianity and Islam, regardless of how the believers in the three religions might prefer to highlight their differences. They believe in the same one god, and their mythologies are clearly set in the same milieu with the same species of supernatural creatures such as angels and even the same individuals of those species such as Gabriel. They don't necessarily regard each other's holy books as holy yet they do regard them as history. Both Jews and Muslims accept Jesus as an actual historical figure, despite the absence of reliable evidence for his existence. They believe in the same heaven and the same hell, and their god judges us in the same way upon our death in order to decide which place to send us to.

To an unreligious person these are just three variants of the same fable. I can't imagine that Hindus, Buddhists and members of other less widely dispersed religions don't also feel the same way about it. Abrahamism is a religion of monotheism, prophecies, judgment and aferlife. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are three of its sects, which are further dvided into smaller sects.
By "Abrahamic" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that the religion has Abraham in it's mythos? If so then yes Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Actually, so is Mormonism. The Mormon's Last Prophet Joseph Smith also incorporated Abraham into his religion. So it's Abrahamic.
Again, to someone outside of the Abrahamic community, Mormonism is just another offshoot of Christianity and therefore an Abrahamic faith. They even call it the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints and they pray to the same god as the Jews, the Muslims and the other Christians.
Muhammadanism is insulting to Muslims, we don't worship Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him), we worship the one and only God, God of Abraham.
Still it's neither incorrect nor disrespectful to name a people after their human leader, and Mohammed founded the religion. Nonetheless this is surely why we stopped calling it that in the late 1960s. There were a few years before the seizure of the embassy in Tehran and definitively ending with the attack on the WTC, when the American people (as distinct from the scoundrels who have taken over our government) were beginning to feel cordial toward Muslims and strove to treat them more decently, especially in matters that only required linguistic energy.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) is the last prophet and the seal of the prophets. More is known about him than is known about Prophets Jesus and Abraham (peace be to them), simply because he is the latest of the prophets, the prophet sent to guide all of humanity.
Not to mention, he was a real person. :) Jesus was almost certainly not.
Egypt & Egyptian both look wrong, like the g & y should swap? "Eygpt" I spell it either way, looks like its spelled wrong
The Ancient Egyptians called their country Kemet. (The vowels are arbitrary hypotheses since they only wrote the consonants.) "Egypt" comes down to us from the Greek words aegaeon yptios which simply means "below the Aegean." The Romans adopted the name and it eventually became standard throughout Europe. It has no other significance and is not a relic of Egyptian civilization or language.
 
Egyptians call their country Misr and themselves Misris or Masris (the actual sound is somewhere in between).

The official name is Junhuriyah Misr al-Arabiyah, which in English means the Arab Republic of Egypt
 
Not to mention, he was a real person

You are probably right - but the possibility exists Mohammad was a composit character.

Many Xians do not concider Mormons Xian.

Are the Bahai an Abrahamic religion?

How many Abrahamic religions are there?

Are Mandeans an Abrahamic religion?
 
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I hope that this thread stays civil, but I have my doubts as other Islam-based threads have just become Anti-Muslim threads where Muslims get flamed.

That is a lie.

No, the reason for this is that we believe the Bible has been corrupted by men's hands. There is truth in it, but we believe there is also falsehood, so we avoid it.

The Quran has been corrupted as well, hence should also be avoided.

Muslims observe Friday as a holy day, like Christians observe Sunday as a holy day. This was a commandment of our Prophet (s) to change the date to Friday.

There are numerous other rituals and beliefs which connect us with the Christians and Jews. As a matter of fact, Islam is very similar to Judaism except for minor differences.

Hence, it is clear Islam was contrived by men to suit their agendas.
 
You're an atheist, you would not understand.;)

Does that mean that DiamondHearts was also flaming when he said:
"No, the reason for this is that we believe the Bible has been corrupted by men's hands. There is truth in it, but we believe there is also falsehood, so we avoid it."
 
Does that mean that DiamondHearts was also flaming when he said:
"No, the reason for this is that we believe the Bible has been corrupted by men's hands. There is truth in it, but we believe there is also falsehood, so we avoid it."

No, he is stating the Islamic belief, not his opinion.
 
No, he is stating the Islamic belief, not his opinion.

And, because it's a religious belief, it's perfectly acceptable? If an opinion, it's reprehensible?

The self-serving, narcissistic, holier-than-thou audacities the theist will bleat are beyond reproach. And they will do so without shame or moral.
 
And, because it's a religious belief, it's perfectly acceptable? If an opinion, it's reprehensible?

The self-serving, narcissistic, holier-than-thou audacities the theist will bleat are beyond reproach. And they will do so without shame or moral.

Are you stating as a fact that the Bible has not been altered?
 
Are you stating as a fact that the Bible has not been altered?

One thing is certain, YOU are not able to carry on a discussion without putting words in others mouths, deceiving with propaganda, following an endless trail of intellectually dishonest discourse down long, dark rat holes all the while fronting this fallacious facade with religious indoctrination as your guide.
 
One thing is certain, YOU are not able to carry on a discussion without putting words in others mouths, deceiving with propaganda, following an endless trail of intellectually dishonest discourse down long, dark rat holes all the while fronting this fallacious facade with religious indoctrination as your guide.

I'll take that as a no.
 
we worship the one and only God, God of Abraham.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ~~Dawkins
 
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” ~~Dawkins

Based on what moral values? Does Dawkins have the same opinion of nature? Is he leaving the planet?
 
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