Holocaust deniers make me want to puke. Preferably on them.
I have a few concerns with the Israeli government and military, mainly their treatment of the Palestinians, but I deeply feel for what their people went thru before and during WWII. Horrible beyond understanding.Don't provide nutrients to the Nazi's.
A minor paraphrase of an oldie, but a goodie.
There's a sad but important truth of the world in there - which applies to the OP's (and second post) attempted denial of what did happen and is still to some degree happening to black people in the US: victimhood does not engender virtue.I have a few concerns with the Israeli government and military, mainly their treatment of the Palestinians, but I deeply feel for what their people went thru before and during WWII.
Yes. I'm a bit afraid that Netanyahu will be able to con our orange president into doing something really rash with Iran.There's a sad but important truth of the world in there - which applies to the OP's (and second post) attempted denial of what did happen and is still to some degree happening to black people in the US: victimhood does not engender virtue.
Wow, the Science denial never ends with you.The girls in the Netherlands are taller than the boys in the Indian towns of northern South America.
Do you have evidence of a significant influence of White Racism on Black People (whatever 'on Black People' means) in the USA?None of this has anything to do with any of the influences of white racism on black people in the US.
If Michelle Obama told me she was a White People, I'd take her at her word. I'd think: Okay, you're a White People.Regardless of how racist Michelle Obama is or is not, she is a US Black person in the US and cannot choose to be otherwise. So are her children. If she fails to recognize and account for that fact, she endangers herself and her children.
And that would make absolutely no difference to her racial status in the US. The world does not revolve around your goofball whims.If Michelle Obama told me she was a White People, I'd take her at her word. I'd think: Okay, you're a White People.
Genetically low height populations exist, genetically defined - including described mechanism, specific influence of specific genes shared by a genetically defined breeding population.On average, a well fed Taron Asian person, will be shorter than an average Dutch girl. ALL of the evidence suggests that due to genetics, GAAAASP!!!!.
So we have here one of two claims: 1) slavery never existed in the US 2) its legacy is invisible today - it had no lasting effects on the racial structure of US society, and in particular white people's treatment of black people in the US, that we can see now.Assuming '100' is total Human Slavery and '0' is no effect at all - none, I maintain the evidence suggests ZERO is the effect of White Racism "on Black People".
Which is what we do in Science iceaura. We start by suggesting there's no effect and then we run an experiment or gather CONTROLLED evidence to see if there is an effect.
Do you agree that your entire argument - the OP two posts and everything that follows from them - depends on that being physically, scientifically, true?The effect 'White Racism' has will be statistically insignificant, which is to say, no significant effect at all. None.
Not 'So'.
Do you have the data yes or no?So we have here one of two claims: 1) slavery never existed in the US 2) its legacy is invisible today - it had no lasting effects on the racial structure of US society, and in particular white people's treatment of black people in the US, that we can see now.
YOU made the claim, YOU provide the data. Do you have ANY data? ANY data at all to back up your claim? Surely there's a freaken paper out there somewhere to back up "THE Narrative".You are denying any significant influence of white racism against black people in the US, and if you are wrong your entire political worldview is a fantasy built on error. Agreed?
All of the stuff about yellow people and IQ is completely irrelevant to the topic, which is your attempted denial of the influence of 250 years of white racism on black people in the US.See how this is coming together? This also explains why most poor people, are low IQ White People.
Conspiracies don't exist? Or is it just this one -You're a conspiracy theorist iceaura. This big fat "Because White" is just that, a conspiracy.
No, they didn't fight and die to free white slaves, and no the number of slave owners was not at all miniscule. What is it with you and historical fact? You always get it wrong - far more often than if you were flipping coins, even.White People (primarily Christians) fought and died to end Slavery and FREED black and white Slaves. The number of Slave Owners were minuscule
Redlining and housing segregation, segregation of public services and facilities, lynching and street violence, abuse by the police and all other authorities, and so forth, were none of them based on IQ tests. The systems built by white people in the US were overwhelmingly racist against black people, and still are to a significant degree.Given the historical precedence, White People seem to be the least 'Racist' of all the People. Possibly a lot less racist than Yellow or Black people. They build systems that are so non-racist, that WHITE people do WORSE in them, compared to other minorities.
Agreed? or not? - that was the question, it has nothing to do with data."You are denying any significant influence of white racism against black people in the US, and if you are wrong your entire political worldview is a fantasy built on error. Agreed?"
YOU made the claim, YOU provide the data.
Actually it quite clearly explains the socioeconomic data for each of your color-based 'Race' categories. The highest IQ people (Yellow People), make the most money, followed by the White People category and etc....All of the stuff about yellow people and IQ is completely irrelevant to the topic,
Have you provided some data yet? No? Okay, then for now, there is no good evidence presented by you, to back up your claim, thus, there is no data set that is controlled for, that demonstrated there is ANY significant influence of ANY form of racism for ANY length of time.which is your attempted denial of the influence of 250 years of white racism on black people in the US
The highest IQ people are dirt poor and famous for dying in famines caused by their miserably inept and evil government, actually.Actually it quite clearly explains the socioeconomic data for each of your color-based 'Race' categories.
No, they don't. Only in the US, and a couple of other places.Yellow People make more, White People make less.
You are denying the significant influence of white racism on black people in the US. If you are wrong about that, all your claims are junk - agreed? Yes, or no.Have you provided some data yet? No? Okay, then for now, there is no good evidence presented by you, to back up your claim, thus, there is no data set that is controlled for, that demonstrated there is ANY significant influence of ANY form of racism for ANY length of time.
Or hundreds of millions of people living in the US under segregation and its aftermath.Only a Public "Servant", or someone working in a Government Funded School/University (same difference) would consider turning down quality labor, goods or services - based on race.
As they are a source of much of the genetics in the US black population, as well as centrally part of the African population whose economic backwardness is explained by their low IQ in your fantasy world, that would present certain difficulties for you. The fact that "the data have not been gathered" already does.Incidentally, though the data has not been gathered, it may be that Igbo Nigerian people, have a higher than 100 IQ.
Nobody who has been following my posting here would have any difficulty recognizing a reasonable choice for the start date of the influence of white racism on black people in the US.Note: One wonders why you draw the cut-off at 250 in the USA?
You are correct that US white racism against US black people is fairly recent - not much older than the country itself, the last two or three centuries at most. If one reads a bit of history, it appears that its modern and extremely virulent, damaging form was a creation of the plantation slavery of the Americas, and even the modern races themselves did not exist until quite recently - the Catholic Irish and Italians, a major component in the US, weren't added to the "white" race until the mid-1800s; the caucasoid Jews are still in limbo.Why not extend this back into Africa, you know, Black on Black Slavery for 8000 years. Historically, it appears White Americans not only ENDED Slavery, but didn't really practice it very long.
You don't know what my assertions are. Your data do not back up your claims.In Summary: DO you have any data to back up your assertion? Because I do and presented it
Perhaps very high IQ (>145). I don't doubt that. In my experience, they also don't have children.The highest IQ people are dirt poor and famous for dying in famines caused by their miserably inept and evil government, actually.
No they don't.No, they don't. Only in the US, and a couple of other places.
Until presented controlled data that demonstrates otherwise, all of the good evidence suggests there is no statistically significant evidence of white racism having an effect on Yellow or Black People in the USA.You are denying the significant influence of white racism on black people in the US. If you are wrong about that, all your claims are junk - agreed? Yes, or no.
Oh, you have some evidence of the average IQ for igbo people?As they are a source of much of the genetics in the US black population, as well as centrally part of the African population whose economic backwardness is explained by their low IQ in your fantasy world, that would present certain difficulties for you. The fact that "the data have not been gathered" already does.
It would not affect my claims at all.
You've done a lot of virtue signalling, not much posting good evidence. Where is your controlled data?Nobody who has been following my posting here would have any difficulty recognizing a reasonable choice for the start date of the influence of white racism on black people in the US.
I didn't claim anything. I posted study after study (Nature Genetics for example) demonstrating IQ and disposition is mostly genetic.Your data do not back up your claims.
LOLYour argument is garbage, because you can't handle basic genetics or statistics,
No - the people you point to as having genetically high IQs, 100 - 105.michael said:"The highest IQ people are dirt poor and famous for dying in famines caused by their miserably inept and evil government, actually."
Perhaps very high IQ (>145). I don't doubt that. In my experience, they also don't have children.
That's obviously contradicted by your other posting, where you point to the very high IQ levels featured by quite low paid and poorly governed populations.That has nothing to do with the monetary value offered by people with IQ: 65, 85, 100, 115, or 125. In a modern industrial or post-industrial society, high IQ is rewarded with high pay. People with an IQ of 115 will have an easier time finding high paid work (and will have the disposition to start their own business) when compared with a person of IQ 85.
No, they don't. You always post fiction, instead of fact - why is that?Yes, they do.
Of course not. I don't need anything like that. You said you did - you posted quotes from Arthur Jensen and Richard Lynn, you made all kinds of unsupported claims about black people's genetic IQ, specifically involving that region of Africa. Now you have a problem - it turns out my observation that none of your data supports your argument now has an actual example of conflict, found and posted by you of course (as usual).Oh, you have some evidence of the average IQ for igbo people?
You claimed that necessarily ("thus") explained the IQ differences and economic differences between populations. That's dumb and wrong.I didn't claim anything. I posted study after study (Nature Genetics for example) demonstrating IQ and disposition is mostly genetic.
My claim is that no adequate studies of this kind exist. I don't have any, you don't have any.michael said:So? DO you have a controlled study?
Whenever you're done drawing invalid conclusions from irrelevant data, the topic of your OP denial is still sitting there - you are still denying the influence of white racism on black people in the US.So? DO you have a controlled study? If not, then all good evidence suggests the for people living in the USA, their socioeconomic status is to a large extend dependent on their genetics as it pertains to IQ.
LOLThat's obviously contradicted by your other posting, where you point to the very high IQ levels featured by quite low paid and poorly governed populations.
Published in Intelligence; PDF: Intelligence and socioeconomic success: A meta-analytic review of longitudinal researchNo, they don't. You always post fiction, instead of fact - why is that?
I said I would like it if we found that Igbo People on average had a higher IQ than White People, at a level around the same as Yellow People. Then we can watch your Race Theory implode. This may turn out to be the case.Of course not. I don't need anything like that. You said you did - you posted quotes from Arthur Jensen and Richard Lynn, you made all kinds of unsupported claims about black people's genetic IQ, specifically involving that region of Africa. Now you have a problem - it turns out my observation that none of your data supports your argument now has an actual example of conflict, found and posted by you of course (as usual).
It's not wrong and does easily explain the differences. Yellow People have a higher IQ than White People, and they make 20,000 more a year than White People.You claimed that necessarily ("thus") explained the IQ differences and economic differences between populations. That's dumb and wrong.
Not a single controlled study has investigated Race Theory in the USA? And yet we somehow have THE Narrative. Not to mention a near hysterics around 'White Privilege'. And yet, NO DATA.My claim is that no adequate studies of this kind exist. I don't have any, you don't have any.
You posted the IQ data on the Chinese and other Asians, I observed that they are dirt poor and poorly governed and have been for hundreds of years now. What's your objection?YOU said 'the highest IQ' are dirt poor. So, argue with yourself, I simply said maybe you're right.
Now you are denying the existence of the sociological races in the US, inventing something you call "Race Theory", and apparently missing the fact that a lack of data indicating percentage contributions of known environmental factors is a major support of my argument.If you agree with the percentage, and think environment is what causes IQ differences between what YOU claim to be races of people - and you have no good data indicating percentage contribution, I must wonder WHY you believe in Race Theory and extrapolate from this that White Racism is to blame for the measured lower IQ AND the lower socioeconomic outcomes?
Not a single population level IQ study has controlled for the major known environmental factors affecting IQ, including the effects of white racism on black people.Not a single controlled study has investigated Race Theory in the USA?
It's dumb and wrong."You claimed that necessarily ("thus") explained the IQ differences and economic differences between populations. That's dumb and wrong."
It's not wrong and does easily explain the differences.
You keep posting that like it's relevant, which is dumb and wrong.michael said:Yellow People have a higher IQ than White People, and they make 20,000 more a year than White People.
Lack of relevant data is one of my major items of evidence.And yet, NO DATA.
Isn't THAT convenient.
LOLLack of relevant data is one of my major items of evidence.