Adam and eve had only two choices. Stay in the garden forever alone. This was not God’s plan. Or eat the fruit and fall allowing them to become mortal and have mortal children. They chose the latter and the rest is history.
You could ask why didn't God just tell them to eat the fruit so they would become mortal?
There really was nothing special about the fruit itself. The fruit was not what made them fall. It was disobeying God that made them fall.
God had to do something to cause them to fall but not make them do something inherently evil.
God could not force man to fall, they had to do it on their own so they could learn good from evil.
Brutus1964 said:Adam and eve had only two choices. Stay in the garden forever alone. This was not God’s plan. Or eat the fruit and fall allowing them to become mortal and have mortal children. They chose the latter and the rest is history.
D__it is a myth whereby the patriarchy/"God" writes a myth so as to subvert and demonize
the pre-patriarchal peoples understanding of the Garden myth with its Goddess. son/lover, and inspirational Fruit, and Serpent. I suggest Brutus you put you Mormom bible down for a while and look at other books...spread yer wings. for example read Joseph Campbell's Masks of God volume, 'Occidental Mythology' where he goes into this in more depth
You could ask why didn't God just tell them to eat the fruit so they would become mortal?
D_-The FRUIT is the inspirational fruit and is THe very same fruit that is on the Tree of Life. They are referred to as the same tree in a deeper etymological reading of the mythic text. so the eating ot DOESn@T make them 'mortal' but immortal. As i say, this patriarchal version is a SUBVERSION of the much more ancinet motif of the eating of the hallucinogenic fruit which gives the eater a sense of eternal
There really was nothing special about the fruit itself. The fruit was not what made them fall. It was disobeying God that made them fall.
D__ No, the Fruit is IS. is THe central mystery. for it gives the partaker a sense of eternity. But you are right that the central warning of the patriarchy is 'DO NOT DISOBEY MALE AUTHORITY' that Is the 'original sin'
God had to do something to cause them to fall but not make them do something inherently evil.
D__you are taking it literally, as though there really is A 'God'. no, it is a male priestly elite writing this
God could not force man to fall, they had to do it on their own so they could learn good from evil.
Prester John said:So that would be your own interpretation of the story then,, the bible according to Yorda. Which other parts are parables, which are literal, how do you differentiate between them?
Brutus1964 said:Purhaps the fall itslelf wasn't so much about choice, but it was God giving us the ability to experience good, evil, pleasure, pain, joy, health, sickness, sadness, happiness, love, hate, and everything life has to offer.
D--what a minute. that Is life! that is natrual life...the whole potentia of experience. it is here. we dont need no 'God' 'givin' is us in the Genesis chapter about a mythic garden. No, we have it anyoldhow. animals have it, insects have it. they too can fly and explore and suck honey and get eat, just like us.
As said, the ORIGINAL meaning of the Garden and Fruit was the FREEDOM to explore DEEPEr this amazing life experience with the aid of inspirational fruit. And this deeper inspiration makes you see, feel deeper and thus makes you respect Nature. not damn it, like the patriarchal version does
God wanted to us to experience all of this, but the only way to do it was for man to fall, and the only way man could fall is for them to disobey God.
Brutus1964 said:Purhaps the fall itslelf wasn't so much about choice, but it was God giving us the ability to experience good, evil, pleasure, pain, joy, health, sickness, sadness, happiness, love, hate, and everything life has to offer.
God wanted to us to experience all of this, but the only way to do it was for man to fall, and the only way man could fall is for them to disobey God.
Godless said:Adam & Eve= MYTH!! not real, stories stolen by the Jews from other civilizations before them.
Heaven & Hell= MYTH!!. Two assumed realms of existence, depicting another dimention elsewere. To believe such tripe, is to deny this existence, this dimention, this realm of existence. The myth is used to fool the masses, to follow blindly to a false promise of Nirvana, while if you don't follow blindly they at the same time, threaten you with the abomination of eternal suffering in a place they chose to call hell. Only idiots and suckers believe such BULL SHIT!!.
Godless.
Brutus1964 said:Were the choice came in is that God did not tell them not to do something that they had to do such as don't breath, or don't eat anything, or don't stand up. They had to make an actual decision whether to eat the fruit or not. In that sense they did have a choice to eat or not to eat.
D-- ahh, but remember, in the same myth--and remember i am stating the two trees deeply mean one single Tree--the Tree of Life is barred from use. 'God' takes AWAY that freedom of choice to eat ITS Fruit by placing angels with flaming swords by it. so. like said, this myth is not about FREEDOMS for us as individuals, like if we choose to experience ecstasy and sriticize with Nature. It is more a patriarchal statement of 'either obey or disobey me, but if the latter you are committing 'original sin' cause i am your 'God')
Just like we have to do every day. Do I follow God and allow Jesus Christ to make me clean or do I continue to disobey him and fall all over again.
Adam and Eve did exist
Aborted_Fetus said:No they did not. I am not saying this because I am atheist. I have been told on more than one occasion by Catholic priests and nuns that they did not exist. It is just a story to explain the idea that they believe all humans are born with original sin. Of course, this is just their interpretation of the Bible, but tell me this: how can you base your life around ONE book that can be interpreted so may different ways?
Godless said:Hey Bruto, I mean Brutus. What color was Adam & Eve?.
Explain black people.
Explain Chinese.
Explain different races. If we all come just from one mythological crapological origin of Adam & Eve?
G.
Yorda said:Everyone who has ears can hear which parts are parables and so on...
Brutus1964 said:Were the choice came in is that God did not tell them not to do something that they had to do such as don't breath, or don't eat anything, or don't stand up. They had to make an actual decision whether to eat the fruit or not. In that sense they did have a choice to eat or not to eat.
Just like we have to do every day. Do I follow God and allow Jesus Christ to make me clean or do I continue to disobey him and fall all over again.
Prester John said:I can't believe you're still clinging to this. You said god designed them to fall, it was part of his plan. Its like me building a computer, the computer has a choice, it runs windows or it doesn't. Ha it ran windows like what i designed it to do, so i'm gonna chuck it out coz its not Linux. That sounds bizzare but thats what god did!!!!!!! (according to the bible)