Has European multiculturalism gone too far?
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Not really becuase the US is a democracy so even if socialists or communists tried to run for office it would be up to the people to decide if theyd get in. Thats what makes America free.D'ster said:
There are no Socialists , communists or dictators in America to stop. (There are gangs but they dont run the goverment.) and why they dont stay to fix there own goverments i have no idea. Maybe there afraid there goverments will excute them if they try to change the goverment.D'ster said:
No, the latinos that come here are trying to get away from those forms of goverments but there is a danger that the southwest could become part of mexico.D'ster said:
basicly.D'ster said:
1) That does not explain Asia. Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, S. Korea, Japan and if they pull their fingure out and - soon to be China, all come to mind.Brian Foley said:
2) Just when and where were these so called "brown" peoples countries a paradigm of prosperity? They were not. As a matter of fact, for most people for most of history, they have been poor.
3) Again to China.
For most of history the Chinese have been the richest people on the planet. Then they created a shit government and Whaa Laaa dirt poor people.
4) Your "the white people did it" neglects to account for 9000 years of human history where humans of all skin color were for the most part poor.
The real reason why so called “white” people got rich because they got rid of their kings, banned slavery, removed religion as far from government as possible, created governments that were relatively responsive to the wishes of the people and most importantly gave people the right to own land. This has nothing to do with "brown people" in any way shape or form.
Michael
First of all, what is “culture” and what “multiculturalism”?
Is learning Judo in New York multiculturalism?
Is eating sushi?
I think that China Town in New York has been there since it was New Amsterdam. Is that multiculturalism?
Should a Muslim living in the West be allowed to take 4 wives to accomidate for their cultureal norms from the ME?
What about the notorious rapes of aboriginal children by Aboriginals in Australia? It is their “land” after all. In some parts of Aboriginal society a very young teenage girl is promised to a very old Aboriginal elder – obviously against her wishes. This act of promise marrage is a part of Aboriginal culture and has been for millennia. Since well before the Europeans came here. Should that be allowed to continue because it is a part of Aboriginal culture?
This whole idea of multiculturalism seem a little vague to me.
I think it’s half bullshit.
There’s the adage: When in Rome do as the Romans. But Romans were also renowned for adopting new trends from other cultures – much like the Japanese are famous for today. Ancient Romans loved new ideas and they thrived on them. Romans obviously reached a balance for what was and was not acceptable to Roman society at large.
I think that maybe we’ve lost this perspective?
Michael
Is learning Judo in New York multiculturalism?
Is eating sushi?
I think that China Town in New York has been there since it was New Amsterdam. Is that multiculturalism?
Should a Muslim living in the West be allowed to take 4 wives to accomidate for their cultureal norms from the ME?
What about the notorious rapes of aboriginal children by Aboriginals in Australia? It is their “land” after all. In some parts of Aboriginal society a very young teenage girl is promised to a very old Aboriginal elder – obviously against her wishes. This act of promise marrage is a part of Aboriginal culture and has been for millennia. Since well before the Europeans came here. Should that be allowed to continue because it is a part of Aboriginal culture?
This whole idea of multiculturalism seem a little vague to me.
I think it’s half bullshit.
There’s the adage: When in Rome do as the Romans. But Romans were also renowned for adopting new trends from other cultures – much like the Japanese are famous for today. Ancient Romans loved new ideas and they thrived on them. Romans obviously reached a balance for what was and was not acceptable to Roman society at large.
I think that maybe we’ve lost this perspective?
Michael
I'd just like to point out that young men are overrepresented among immigrants to Scandinavia. Young men are also very much overrepresented in crime statistics. It's all about which group you want to demonize.
- While europeans were still sitting in caves marvelling over fire, the world's first empires were being created in the middle east, Hammurabi created the world's first code of law, Cyrus the great made the first declaration of human rights, the first grand epic was written, the pyramids were buildt and so on... Then there's the "dark ages" which Europe might never have gotten out of if not for contact with Middle Eastern/North African culture. Socialisms and all the other ideologies it's given rise to might never have existed if not for europeans communicating with and taking to heart wise words from native Americans. China... well, I see you mention chinaMichael said:
- Colonialism was a huge source of resources for European countries - and it forced structures on to and messed up the cultures of countless people.
- They don't all want to move to "the areas of all the white people" - "brown people" move around everywhere. I mean, Norway has what, ten percent new/non- nationals? The United Arab Emirates has eighty.D'ster said:
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That's true. In fact, they're treated pretty badly as well. This is beside the point, though.
Well, in terms of economy, yes, the UEA very competitive compared to Europe and America. In terms of human rights and the opportunity to integrate, even undeveloped world countries like Botswana can have a good record. But take both factors together, and Europe and America still seem to lead the way.
But as for D'ster's point, if he's implying that brown people should 'go back to where they came from', that's just ridiculous. Imagine trying to stick all the white people in America 'back where they came from' - tiny Europe!
I see population migration as a healthy thing, in general. And the fact that Europe leads the way in accepting immigrants is largely due to development which was in turn, as you say, helped by colonialism of other countries. Once other countries have had the chance to develop migration will hopefully balance.
But as for D'ster's point, if he's implying that brown people should 'go back to where they came from', that's just ridiculous. Imagine trying to stick all the white people in America 'back where they came from' - tiny Europe!
I see population migration as a healthy thing, in general. And the fact that Europe leads the way in accepting immigrants is largely due to development which was in turn, as you say, helped by colonialism of other countries. Once other countries have had the chance to develop migration will hopefully balance.
Brian Foley said:
And are they biased or merely reporting a point of view you don't like? Given that you're actually a huge racist, are you really so upset as you seem? Or is it that your racism only works in specific directions?
I also wonder...if you track back the links on those sites do they end up at your favourite site - StormFront, I assume - or at news agencies? Now would that be racism, or political expression?
Pathetic.
"Anti-people" - funny. Given some of the loony sites you quote directly from, you pathetic bigot, I'm surprised you'd have the gall to accuse me of anything.
Then again, I'm not surprised by much you do anymore. And as your tolerances extend to anti-Jewish bigotry, I doubt they serve in the capacity of moral waypoints, except as illustrations where not to go.
Geoff
I never said that at all,Zephyr said:But as for D'ster's point, if he's implying that brown people should 'go back to where they came from', that's just ridiculous. Imagine trying to stick all the white people in America 'back where they came from' - tiny Europe!
I think you are using me to give us your opinion.
It's a comparison between 'pink' Norway and 'brown' United Arab Emirates. There is a greater proportion of foreignors living in the Emirates than Norway.D'ster said:
I know, that's why I use the word 'if'. It makes the sentence conditional. So, if that's not what you think, what do you think about immigrants to Europe?D'ster said: