"Gun Control"

[Kittamaru]

ok
good use

My question is... how the hell did someone armor up a semi to the point that such a thing was needed o0;

 

[sculptor]

easy
steel plate(available almost everywhere) and some facility with a welder(available almost everywhere)

 

[Bells]

My question is... how the hell did someone armor up a semi to the point that such a thing was needed o0;

The irony is that a guy driving around with steel plating on his car sees it shot, but if a guy drives around with guns strapped to his car, that is perfectly legal:

These ones are by a company in Texas.

Condition Zero Mounts are a product of Gunner Fabrication, headquartered in Kerrville, Texas. We design and manufacture a wide variety of products for those who prefer the convenience and confidence that comes with having the perfect mounting solution for their firearm. Launched in 2013, we’re proud to use American design, manufacturing, and materials.

We believe strongly that a properly mounted and secured firearm gives you the best chance of using that firearm effectively. We’ve all seen the effects of having a firearm that was not available to the user when it mattered, and the risks that come with having a loaded firearm floating around your console or glove compartment. In the field, on the road, or wherever you need fast and secure access, we know that our customers are Never More Ready™ than with Condition Zero Mounts.​

Apparently, some believe driving in America is like driving through a Mogadishu during 'Black Hawk Down'..

I'll take the guy with the plated truck smashing into cars over any yahoo that would strap guns to their cars on any day, thanks.

 

[Kittamaru]

The irony is that a guy driving around with steel plating on his car sees it shot, but if a guy drives around with guns strapped to his car, that is perfectly legal:

These ones are by a company in Texas.

Condition Zero Mounts are a product of Gunner Fabrication, headquartered in Kerrville, Texas. We design and manufacture a wide variety of products for those who prefer the convenience and confidence that comes with having the perfect mounting solution for their firearm. Launched in 2013, we’re proud to use American design, manufacturing, and materials.

We believe strongly that a properly mounted and secured firearm gives you the best chance of using that firearm effectively. We’ve all seen the effects of having a firearm that was not available to the user when it mattered, and the risks that come with having a loaded firearm floating around your console or glove compartment. In the field, on the road, or wherever you need fast and secure access, we know that our customers are Never More Ready™ than with Condition Zero Mounts.​

Apparently, some believe driving in America is like driving through a Mogadishu during 'Black Hawk Down'..

I'll take the guy with the plated truck smashing into cars over any yahoo that would strap guns to their cars on any day, thanks.

It was my understanding that to carry your firearm in your vehicle, it had to be "safely and securely stashed" , with some caveats:

http://smartgunlaws.org/guns-in-vehicles-in-pennsylvania/

No person, even the holder of a license to carry a firearm, may carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle.1

In addition, Pennsylvania law provides that “any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle…without a valid and lawfully issued license…commits a felony.”2 This rule does not apply to:

• Those traveling to or from target shooting, if the firearm is unloaded with the cartridges or shells carried in a separate container;
• Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm;
• Agents, messengers, or employees of banks or businesses whose duties require them to protect money or other valuable property in the discharge of their duties;
• Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms or the agent of such person, having in his or her possession, using, or carrying a firearm in the usual course of business;
• Any person carrying an unloaded firearm in a secure wrapper between certain places, including the place of purchase or repair to his or her home or place of business, or when moving from one home or business to another;
• Any person licensed to hunt or fish, if he or she is actually hunting or fishing;
• A person training dogs during the regular training season;
• Any person carrying a firearm in a vehicle who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the U.S. or any other state;
• A person who had a license to possess a firearm that expired within six months before his or her date of arrest, if the person is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license; and
• Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm and who is operating a vehicle which is registered in the person’s name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a license has been issued to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.3

It is generally unlawful to operate or ride in any snowmobile or ATV in possession of a loaded firearm.4

See the Guns in Schools in Pennsylvania section below regarding transportation to schools.

Finally, no person may possess a firearm of any kind “in or on or against any conveyance propelled by mechanical power or its attachments at any time whether or not the vehicle or its attachment is in motion unless the firearm is unloaded” or that person is in possession of a valid license to carry a firearm.5 This prohibition does not apply to holders of a license to carry a firearm.6

1. Pennsylvania defines a firearm as “[a]ny pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches.” 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6102. Loaded firearms not included in this definition generally may not be carried by any person, including holders of a license to carry a firearm, in any vehicle. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6106.1. [↩]
2. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6106(a). [↩]
3. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6106(b). One who violates this section but “who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license” and “has not committed any other criminal violation” commits a misdemeanor of the first degree. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6106(a)(2). [↩]
4. 75 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 7727. [↩]
5. 34 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 2503. [↩]
6. 34 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. § 2503(b)(3). Other exceptions are also listed in this section. [↩]

 

[milkweed]

I asked them before we left - apparently it's part of the SWAT team gear and saw use once - someone had ghettos armored a semi truck with sheet metal and plexiglass and was joyriding around smashing cars and such - 2 rounds thru the engine block ended that

Did you check your source? I became curious at this answer and I could not find the example, but I dont remember what state you are in so I couldnt search with that parameter. I remember this one and saw it on the news:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

But that was a bulldozer.

This one happened in cal but there was no shot through the engine:

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/18/news/mn-13625

This one police did stop after a while, but again, it wasnt a shot through the block:

http://newsok.com/120-mile-chase-ends-trucks-traffic-rampage/article/2533365/?page=1

Point is I am skeptical of his story and am looking for some kind of confirmation.

EDIT:
Reading your post #24 I decided to search with pennsylvania. Here is the story:

http://6abc.com/news/tractor-trailer-chase-ends-with-police-gunfire-in-montco/354244/

Again, not as the cop described to you but may be the reference incident.

 

[Kittamaru]

Did you check your source? I became curious at this answer and I could not find the example, but I dont remember what state you are in so I couldnt search with that parameter. I remember this one and saw it on the news:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

But that was a bulldozer.

This one happened in cal but there was no shot through the engine:

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/18/news/mn-13625

This one police did stop after a while, but again, it wasnt a shot through the block:

http://newsok.com/120-mile-chase-ends-trucks-traffic-rampage/article/2533365/?page=1

Point is I am skeptical of his story and am looking for some kind of confirmation.

EDIT:
Reading your post #24 I decided to search with pennsylvania. Here is the story:

http://6abc.com/news/tractor-trailer-chase-ends-with-police-gunfire-in-montco/354244/

Again, not as the cop described to you but may be the reference incident.

The person I was talking to was an officer, but not one of the patrol officers - he was on each if the trainers (had formerly been part of the investigative force) - it's possible he was embellishing though - it wasn't someone I personally knew

 

[milkweed]

The person I was talking to was an officer, but not one of the patrol officers - he was on each if the trainers (had formerly been part of the investigative force) - it's possible he was embellishing though - it wasn't someone I personally knew

Thanks for the clarification.

...embellishing is a nice way to put it (and not a reflection on you)....

It just bothers me the way we have militarized the police.

And I dont like the police misleading the public when asked questions.

 

[danshawen]

No right granted by the U.S. Constitution is superior to other enumerated rights, and this includes the freedom to practice your religion or the right to bear arms. If you use your right to bear arms to suppress my freedom of expression, that is as bad as using the freedom of religion to avoid paying taxes or affording competent medical care to your own children, or endangering public safety by refusing to vaccinate them or even teach them the truth about basic history like the reasons for the American civil war.

When deadly force is needed for law enforcement authorized by that same Constitution against individuals who arm themselves with an intent to suppress or take away those other rights and freedoms from their neighbors, I support that effort 300%. This is the "well regulated militia" that is empowered by the Constitution, not a cadre of right wing nut cases flying a different flag, entrenched in their survivalist bunkers prepared for the worst and armed to the teeth.

A system of laws not uniformly enforced is as bad as any other unbalanced approach, which includes anarchy. Laws which do not serve the best interests of everyone serves no one.

 

[Bowser]

I bought a rifle years back after my time in the military. I took it to the range once; otherwise it stood in the corner of my closet gathering dust. I found that I had no real need for a gun, so I sold mine. Now, I haven't a problem with other people owning guns, but for me, there was no practical purpose in owning a gun.

 

[iceaura]

When deadly force is needed for law enforcement authorized by that same Constitution - - -
- - This is the "well regulated militia" that is empowered by the Constitution

It's dangerous to confuse the police with militia, or any other armed force. It leads to the militarization of the police, which creates a de facto army of occupation. That will not lead to good enforcement of the law, in the occupied communities.

Police enforce laws, armies break them. They are on opposite sides, in a well governed civilization.

 

[sculptor]

maybe
We already have more than enough civilian gun control.
Ruby Ridge, Waco.........................."coming to a town near you soon".
Is another Janet Reno waiting in the wings?
Or, do we pin those on Bill Clinton?
Would Hillary be more of the same?

 

[Oystein]

The US has a weird-ass gun culture. Even if the gov't started now with serious gun control, it would take a 100 years to undo this crap. It's almost useless to try. So, I say, what the heck . . .

. . . let's arm everyone. Children should get their first weapon, maybe a derringer, when they go to kindergarten -- if they are really stupid or insane, they should be given their first weapon sooner, say when entering pre-school. Of course, home-schooled children can have their first weapon even earlier -- old enough to hold a spoon -- old enough to have a gun. Entry into HS should be AR-15 or AK-47 time -- they deserve it.

 

[billvon]

. . . let's arm everyone. Children should get their first weapon, maybe a derringer, when they go to kindergarten -- if they are really stupid or insane, they should be given their first weapon sooner, say when entering pre-school. Of course, home-schooled children can have their first weapon even earlier -- old enough to hold a spoon -- old enough to have a gun. Entry into HS should be AR-15 or AK-47 time -- they deserve it.

Good point. That could prevent accidents like this:
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CBS/AP
April 20, 2014, 3:42 PM
Utah boy, 2, shot and killed by 3-year-old sister

LOGAN, Utah - A 2-year-old Utah boy has died after being accidentally shot by his 3-year-old sister with a rifle.

Cache County sheriff's Lt. Mike Peterson says the boy was shot in the stomach with a .22-caliber rifle Friday evening in the family's home in College Ward.

"The gun had been used earlier in the day by the victim's father and was set down after returning home," said Cache County Sheriff's Lt. Mike Peterson, according to CBS affiliate KUTV in Salt Lake City. "The gun was in an unloaded state but did have live rounds in the magazine. We believe the three-year-old had to manipulate the action enough to chamber a live round prior to the incident occurring."

All family members were home and the boy's mother immediately called for assistance.
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Had the 2 year old have been armed, he could have dropped the shooter before she was able to shoot him.

 

[Oystein]

Exactly. And so what if a child accidentally kills a half-dozen or so of his classmates by the time he is ten years old, these will be mainly off-set by the ones he kills on purpose, you know, for pissing him off on the playground.

 

[billvon]

Exactly. And so what if a child accidentally kills a half-dozen or so of his classmates by the time he is ten years old . . .

Well, that's their own damn fault. If his classmates had been armed, he would have been stopped long before the second killing.

 

[Oystein]

Seriously, how horrible does it have to get? If some sick bastard can go into an elementary school (Sandy Hook, CT) and kill 20 children and 6 staff members and nothing in this country changes, then what's there to do? Nothing. That was almost three years ago. As far as guns are concerned, and the mentality surrounding ownership, this country is f**ked. "Happiness is a warm gun."

 

[billvon]

Seriously, how horrible does it have to get? If some sick bastard can go into an elementary school (Sandy Hook, CT) and kill 20 children and 6 staff members and nothing in this country changes, then what's there to do? Nothing.

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. If there were we would have implemented them by now.

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. If there were we would have implemented them by now.

At this point, we can identify one single institution as the cause of the intractability of our gun problem: the National Rifle Assholes. They provide immense campaign contributions to congressional candidates who support the status quo (i.e., the average American has the same probability of the cause of his death being a gunshot, as of it being a road accident) and lobby fiercely against anti-gun candidates.

There is considerable antipathy toward the NRA. Perhaps after a few more years of high-profile shootings, the pendulum will swing the other way.

 

[sculptor]

Seriously, how horrible does it have to get? If some sick bastard can go into an elementary school (Sandy Hook, CT) and kill 20 children and 6 staff members and nothing in this country changes, then what's there to do? Nothing. That was almost three years ago. As far as guns are concerned, and the mentality surrounding ownership, this country is f**ked. "Happiness is a warm gun."

You're posting abut a psychology problem, not a gun problem. Universal health care would most likely be a more efficacious approach.
But then, we would be interfering with the profit motive of the pigs.

 

[Oystein]

NRA dudes on a science site. Whoda thunk it?

Let me guess: you also don't believe in man-made global warming. That would fit right in the general thought patterns of an NRA man.