Gun control - US vs. rest of the world

See first post for gun control measures. Are you for or against them?


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Sure have, the tanks need more gas and supply lines in the north are even weaker. Sticky bombs and pipe bombs, easier than ever to make.

Finland was a gnat compared to Russia, even in 39'. They paid damages only because the axis lost the war. Had they not thrown in for Germany(I realize the politics quite acutely), they would have made out with the 1940 agreement with russia, which wasn't so bad considering they were a minor power that beat the shit out of a major power(and ALL Russian might in 39'- ok minus Zhukov).
 
Sure have, the tanks need more gas and supply lines in the north are even weaker.

Finland was a gnat compared to Russia, even in 39'. They paid damages only because the axis lost the war. Had they not thrown in for Germany(I realize the politics quite acutely), they would have made out with the 1940 agreement with russia, which wasn't so bad considering they were a minor power that beat the shit out of a major power(and ALL Russian might in 39'- ok minus Zhukov).

You seem to forget large parts of the war. The first part went really well for the Finns, the second not so well.
 
As a Libertarian, I'd have expected you to oppose at least some of Jame's proposals. Especially the requirement to show cause. It should be the opposite. The government should be required to show cause to prevent you from purchasing a gun.

By the way, I don't own a gun. But I don't want to live in a country in which the government feels it's necesary to disarm its citizens. The Nazis banned guns before rounding up citizens and sending them to death camps.

An armed population is the final check on a tyranical government.

I skimmed over the paragraph, my bad.

On that, I stand corrected. I do not think that a person should need to show "cause". However, I don't see anything wrong with registering a gun and having to pass a reasonable test to obtain a license. People need licenses to posess and operate cars and aircraft, they need licenses to posess and use certain substances-- it's only reasonable for people to have to pass a test to obtain certain fire arms.

Can I change my answer?

~String
 
I skimmed over the paragraph, my bad.

On that, I stand corrected. I do not think that a person should need to show "cause". However, I don't see anything wrong with registering a gun and having to pass a reasonable test to obtain a license. People need licenses to posess and operate cars and aircraft, they need licenses to posess and use certain substances-- it's only reasonable for people to have to pass a test to obtain certain fire arms.

Can I change my answer?

~String
im not sure about aircraft, but you most certainly dont need a license to possess an automobile. you need a license to operate one while engaging in commerce
 
im not sure about aircraft, but you most certainly dont need a license to possess an automobile. you need a license to operate one while engaging in commerce
You need at the very least a minumum of 40 flight hours (20 dual (w/instructor) and 20 solo) in an airplane before you can get your private pilot's license.
 
You seem to forget large parts of the war. The first part went really well for the Finns, the second not so well.

I don't forget. Classic - win every battle, yet lose the war. WWII(39-45), at the highest level, was nothing more than a competition of economies. They still beat the living shit out of the Russians. They just ran out of bullets, supplies etc. Germany would have done well to pay closer attention to what happened in the Winter war.
 
but to own one, is a license needed?

Ohhhh. I'm not sure about owning one. I wouldn't think so, but you don't need a license to own a car, just to drive it.
If I had the cash, I could go to a car dealer right now and buy a car; no license needed. It's when I go to register and tag it, would be when I'd need to show my license.
 
this is the issue to me.

i could cause untold destruction with a pickup truck in the course of 5 minutes...just as much as with a bazooka, easily.

yet, for some reason, im not allowed to own a bazooka.

this is unconstitutional, immoral, and an effort to make you helpless when the new gestapo rolls in with their RFID scanners and mandatory national id cards.
 
I don't forget. Classic - win every battle, yet lose the war. WWII(39-45), at the highest level, was nothing more than a competition of economies. They still beat the living shit out of the Russians. They just ran out of bullets, supplies etc. Germany would have done well to pay closer attention to what happened in the Winter war.

A more refined version can be found as usual on wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_War_II
 
I'm totally agree with spurious here. I do like our gun control laws (Swiss :D)

New weapons have to be applied for first but that isn't a problem as long as you don't have a criminal history or one of endangering yourself and/or others. It is easier to buy a weapon from a private person where only a copy of the criminal record are nessecary and a contract that records the deal that has to be kept by both parties. The Weapons and ammo have to be locked up (rifles are a exception but the Breechblock has to be locked up). They are only allowed to be carried at home and to the shooting range and back. To carry it in public you need a carrying permit. (which is almost impossible to get if you don't work as a bodyguard or security personel)

Then nearly every gunowner has had military training, and people with a carrying permit require aditional training, especially about RoE

I have a SIG550 in my bedroom. The defence Department lends it to me for premilitary shooting practice at 300m (I hit in a 20-30cm radius at that distance and have already won awards) Any Citizen between 17 and 19 can do this.

And I feel very safe here :)
 
Surely you are not suggesting that criminals, terrorists, and mexicans should be allowed to have guns in the USA?
Nice.

If a conservative said something like that, he'd be run out of town on a rail.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're refering to illegals.
 
But that is only because the US let the situation grow out of control. Obviously once control is lost you cannot easily regain it.

Really? How's it out of control? It's not the law-abiding citizens causing the problems, it's the criminals that don't follow any laws whatsoever. The majority of our crimes happen in large hellhole cities that already have strict gun laws or outright bans. All the laws mentioned in the opening post only restrict law-abiding citizens that aren't a problem, and do nothing to the criminals who you're supposedly trying to stop. It seems some people don't know the definition of what a criminal is, someone who breaks the law. More laws won't do shit to them.

So if we enact the gun control laws, all of the criminals will turn in their guns and quit using them? ...just like that? ...even though the criminals don't obey any other laws, they'll instantly obey the gun control laws?

How nice!

Baron Max

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yes and no.

depends on what kind of gun control.

Har har, LoL!

Go ahead and pick any law you want to enact and tell me how a criminal is going to follow that. We already have laws that require licenses for concealed carried hanguns yet gangbangers and criminals still do so without one. You want to start raiding everyone's homes to make sure they're following proper storage laws such as locking up their guns and ammo as you want? Good luck with that one. People will just hide them like they do other items that are supposedly against the law (drugs, etc).


So there's some form of gun control that criminals will obey???

You truly are a liberal dreamer, ain't you, Spurious? ...LOL!

Baron Max

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Yeah, I'd love to hear that one.


Exactly Baron. Let them piss and moan about guns. All new guns laws do is make criminals out of ordinary people.

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How many tanks do you think you can take out by yourself?

You put too much faith in tanks. Like others said, they're sitting ducks without infantry around to protect em, which is what the guns would be for. Tanks are only really effective at taking our other tanks or vehicles, not people. And in cities, they need even more infantry support as they'll be easy to take out with homemade mines or sticky bombs, or better yet, like uprisings of the past, lure them in, block off their exit, and hijack the freakin' thing. I won't ever have to worry about a tank unless I'm on highway or other wide open area, which uh, I wouldn't do. Plenty of hills, forests, and mountains over here. I'd just have to worry about ground soldiers and bombs from up above.

The only law I'm for in regards to gun control is a license that shows you have the necessary skills to safety operate em.

- N
 
A quick poll of sciforums members.

Please answer whether you are for or against the following specific measures:

  • Ban all automatic weapons from private ownership.
  • Require the registration of ownership of all guns and ammunition.
  • Require a licence to own a gun privately.
  • Require cause to be shown to obtain a gun licence (e.g. farmers, members of shooting clubs).

That will do for the purposes of this poll.

If you disagree with any of the above measures, vote disagree. If you agree in principle (even if you think certain details might need tweaking) vote agree.


I hate guns but that last one gets to me
 
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