Gun control - US vs. rest of the world

See first post for gun control measures. Are you for or against them?

  • I am American and I would support the measures below, in general.

    Votes: 10 14.5%

  • I am American and I am against one or more of the measures below.

    Votes: 31 44.9%

  • I am NOT American and I would support the measures below, in general.

    Votes: 21 30.4%

  • I am NOT American and I am against one or more of the measures below.

    Votes: 5 7.2%

  • I have no opinion on this, or do not wish to express my opinion.

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    69
Buffalo Roam said:
Greece, Turkey, maintain influence with both? and when was the last time that there was a conflict between these countries?
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It was recently enough that it happened within my lifetime. I think it was in the 1970s. They came to the brink of war over their claims to Cyprus.
Baron Max said:
So you think a nation should agree on something that would harm and/or destroy their own economy? Would India do such a thing?
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S.A.M. said:
I think some things are too important to consider profit first.
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The question was not what you personally think about it, but rather how your country would react. Of course most of us are noble humanitarians who regard the whole world as our nation, but we live in countries that are full of voters like Max who don't feel that way, and are governed by rulers who generally don't give a damn how we feel anyway.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
The question was not what you personally think about it, but rather how your country would react.

Of course most of us are noble humanitarians who regard the whole world as our nation, but we live in countries that are full of voters like Max who don't feel that way, and are governed by rulers who generally don't give a damn how we feel anyway.
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Noble humanitarians? ...LOL!!

Tell me, Fraggle, what exactly has the "humanitarians" ever actually done to help anyone anywhere .....without the support and protection of people like me carrying weapons and exerting a show of power?

Africa? That's a big laugh!

India? I think it's worse now than every before ...if for no other reason than the number of poor and starving.

So tell me, Fraggle, how this "humanitarian" effort has ever done anything on it's own that's proved to be what anyone would call a success?

It's easy to talk big, talk is cheap, anyone can do it. But when it comes to actually doing anything, it takes the power of military might and the show of force.

Baron Max
 
James R said:
Instead of listening to the message and considering, you prefer to attack the messenger. I mean, look at this
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Maybe because everyone who disagrees with you is a gun nut whose opinion is based on the culture of fear instituted and exported by America?
S.A.M. said:
So what do you think of the US arming insurgents/dictators in conflict ridden places worldwide?

Especially its practice of arming both sides?
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Ignoratio elenchi; I think. That has nothing to do with civillian gun laws within any individual country.
S.A.M. said:
I was thinking more along the lines of hunger, poverty, homelessness, education
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Don't you have to have a good economy if you're going to make sure those things don't happen in your own country, or even to help others?
 
Oniw17 said:
Don't you have to have a good economy if you're going to make sure those things don't happen in your own country, or even to help others?
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When a third of your population is obese, is that a good time to be ignoring hunger in other places?
 
James R said:
A quick poll of sciforums members.

Please answer whether you are for or against the following specific measures:

  • Ban all automatic weapons from private ownership.
  • Require the registration of ownership of all guns and ammunition.
  • Require a licence to own a gun privately.
  • Require cause to be shown to obtain a gun licence (e.g. farmers, members of shooting clubs).

That will do for the purposes of this poll.

If you disagree with any of the above measures, vote disagree. If you agree in principle (even if you think certain details might need tweaking) vote agree.
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I'm against banning guns..wtf, why make law abiding citizens defenseless to those who illegally obtain guns? If you're a criminal would you rob a place where people have guns or a place where people have no guns and are completely defenseless to you? Exactly. Banning guns is one of the most foolish liberal ideals I've ever heard, it assumes that everyone will obey the law and that even criminals will have no guns...ROFL It doesn't make sense, and it also doesn't work...look at DC and Chicago which have/had hand gun bans, it didn't work at all, DC only recently lifted its handgun ban, most people couldn't even ever tell that handguns were illegal there...
 
S.A.M. said:
When a third of your population is obese, is that a good time to be ignoring hunger in other places?
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So now you want Americans to help feed all of the starving Indians in your beloved nation of India?

Okay, we'll send in the Marines! :D

Baron Max
 
shichimenshyo said:
It certainly doesnt help the idea that everyone should be able to own a gun.
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Why not? I don't understand why you think banning guns would solve the problem as explained in my previous post...

Take Switzerland for instance, which has a very high gun ownership rate, it has less gun crimes then other countries like England with very strict gun laws

Socialism doesn't work, it never has, it never will, making people completely defenseless to anyone who illegally obtains a gun is not the way to go
 
VitalOne said:
Why not? I don't understand why you think banning guns would solve the problem as explained in my previous post...

Take Switzerland for instance, which has a very high gun ownership rate, it has less gun crimes then other countries like England with very strict gun laws

Socialism doesn't work, it never has
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I dont think that guns should be banned as per my previous posts, I do however think that the more times a kid hauls off and kills or injures his classmates makes it more likely that we will start to see serious restrictions on gun ownership. I mean you can only see so many dead and crying highschool students before you step up and do something.
 
shichimenshyo said:
I dont think that guns should be banned as per my previous posts, I do however think that the more times a kid hauls off and kills or injures his classmates makes it more likely that we will start to see serious restrictions on gun ownership. I mean you can only see so many dead and crying highschool students before you step up and do something.
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Well it might, but the personal responsibility should be placed upon the schools to make the school a safe place for all students
 
VitalOne said:
Well it might, but the personal responsibility should be placed upon the schools to make the school a safe place for all students
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Just like the personal responsibility of a parent to make sure that their kids wear helmets...wait its a law now, because enough people got hurt not wearing. It will be the same for guns if this keeps up.
 
shichimenshyo said:
Just like the personal responsibility of a parent to make sure that their kids wear helmets...wait its a law now, because enough people got hurt not wearing. It will be the same for guns if this keeps up.
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Yeah but its unconstitutional...the constitution is the highest law of the land, also guns being banned is a paradise for criminals, it would make their lives a lot easier
 
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