Goth who walks fiancée on a leash is banned by bus driver: 'No dogs allowed!
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I've heard the term used in the US plenty of times.
Wikipedia says there's a school called The Seeing Eye in the US founded in 1929, that's probably where it's from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_eye_dog
Wikipedia says there's a school called The Seeing Eye in the US founded in 1929, that's probably where it's from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_eye_dog
Wow, what a sad wretched individual you are.
So which Jesus do you supposedly follow? It can’t be the Jesus of Christianity as I don’t recall him being an intolerant prejudiced fool and wanting to kick peoples’ asses for being different to the “norm”. I seem to recall him forgiving and loving all people. I seem to recall him accepting and associating with the freaks and outcasts of that time. I seem to recall him ‘turning the other cheek’.
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
…and so on and so forth.
So which Jesus is it that you follow, exactly?
Yes they do
Virtually all guide dogs are labs. Intelligence ? Stamina ?
Yeah he is so intelligent he ran away 2 weeks ago and was chasing a woman with her dog around the park, and wouldn't come when the owner was calling it.
Myles
dont they use shepherds for hearing dogs? could be wrong about that but im sure i rember hearing that somewhere (no pun intended)
i have a half shepherd and she is the most inteligent dog around she is also really silly, she is huge but she acts like a puppy
dont they use shepherds for hearing dogs? could be wrong about that but im sure i rember hearing that somewhere (no pun intended)
i have a half shepherd and she is the most inteligent dog around
she is also really silly, she is huge but she acts like a puppy
You really worry about every detail of everyone's life, don't you? Where do the homeless have sex? How do people with pets get them to the vet?
Have you considered that they might prevail upon a friend or family member to give them a ride to the vet?
Yes actually i do worry about social justice
do you have any idea what the majority of the ambulance or police responces actually are?
Not crimes in the case of the police
not car acidents in the case of the ambos
They are about social justice
not everyone HAS someone who can help them. A man was found dead in his apartment recently a YEAR after he died. No one noticed, the police atended his house but when a nabor said they thought he had gone away they left without breaking in
do you have any idea what the majority of the ambulance or police responces actually are?
Not crimes in the case of the police
not car acidents in the case of the ambos
They are about social justice
not everyone HAS someone who can help them. A man was found dead in his apartment recently a YEAR after he died. No one noticed, the police atended his house but when a nabor said they thought he had gone away they left without breaking in
Please, don't ever ever make me think about that again.
Well, I'm not sure I even believe in a thing called "social justice".
Your example is just a very sad story of a man so lonely that his death went unnoticed for a year! While I feel for the guy, and wonder how such a thing could happen, I don't see any "social justice" involved (whatever that is).
I see a guy who has, through his own choice, isolated himself. He could have gone to church or joined some sort of club. He could have made friends. He could have stayed in touch with his family. He didn't.
He chose a solitary life. Perhaps he enjoyed it. Perhaps he was nervous around people and only truly happy when reading a book all alone at night. Who knows? But how is this a problem of "social justice"?
We all make our choices. I know religion gets a bad rap on this board, but it is very good at keeping people in touch and at encouraging us to help one another.
When I had a child born with Down's syndrome, my wife and I were extremely depressed. All the screening tests had been normal. My pastor came out to the hospital, visited with us, counciled us. Various members of the church came by, made us dinner. Helped us out. It was great. It really helped. That's a big part of what going to church can bring. That's community. Not some government program.
I'll never forget the social worker who came to talk to us at the hospital. She pretty much tossed a pamplet at us and left. No help whatsoever.
thats a sad inditment of the social worker and your system of health (mis)care
Yes there are alot of social services that can be put in place and no that case surposedly couldnt happen in the state i live in because if meals on wheels come back and the meal hasnt been eaten the police will break into the house with in 24 hours where in this case they took the nabors word.
Social justice goes hand in hand with antidecrimination. It is about making sure there are no impediments to people doing what they can legally do because they are elderly, they are gay, they are women, they are aborigional, they live in remote areas
Its not about an overt illegal descrimination but rather is concerned with passive descrimination
For example if you ban drinking in all public areas then someone specialising in social justice would be intrested in where homeless people could drink. Or people who live in remote comunities working out how to make social activities avialable to them as well as social services. Or how to keep the elderly able to be socially active inspite of the fact that they maybe medically unable to drive
Its also sometimes called social inclusion rather than social justice
BTW the "justice" doesnt refer to LEGAL justice but the ethical principle of "justice"
Yes there are alot of social services that can be put in place and no that case surposedly couldnt happen in the state i live in because if meals on wheels come back and the meal hasnt been eaten the police will break into the house with in 24 hours where in this case they took the nabors word.
Social justice goes hand in hand with antidecrimination. It is about making sure there are no impediments to people doing what they can legally do because they are elderly, they are gay, they are women, they are aborigional, they live in remote areas
Its not about an overt illegal descrimination but rather is concerned with passive descrimination
For example if you ban drinking in all public areas then someone specialising in social justice would be intrested in where homeless people could drink. Or people who live in remote comunities working out how to make social activities avialable to them as well as social services. Or how to keep the elderly able to be socially active inspite of the fact that they maybe medically unable to drive
Its also sometimes called social inclusion rather than social justice
BTW the "justice" doesnt refer to LEGAL justice but the ethical principle of "justice"
People should be treated equally before the law. There should be no law that prevents people from doing what they like so long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
However, I don't think it's the government's responsibility to remove every impedement a person might face.
That just floors me. I would, perhaps, be on board in opposing such a law on the grounds that it's an unnecessary infringement of rights. Basically, my instinct is to oppose any law, until I see proof that it's absolutely necesary.
Laudable goals, but the term "justice" seems strange to me. I think in terms of only Retributive justice, not Distributive justice.
In my mind, no one has a right to social services, or to be socially active, or to an equal share of anything but what he has earned himself. You have a right to be left alone. That's really about it.
Justice from bioethics HERE
The probable reason that you have a problem with justice in this sense is that you grew up in America. The American policy rejecting socialism totally doesn't think to much about equity, only individual rights. The strange thing from MY point of view is what is the POINT of having individual rights to do something if there is every impediment stopping you doing it
For instance is it mandatory under the building code to have ramps and other devices installed to allow people in wheel chairs to gain access?
Are taxis and public transport forbidden from discriminating against people with guide dogs?
the governments of Australia, England. the sheep rooters, probably Canada work differently to the US.
For starters we are not afraid of government involvement, for example we even have a minister for sport. Do you? Actually since the health statistics on childhood obesity that ministry has picked up more importance.
We are also not afraid of socialism, we believe that its the government's responsibility to care for the people. The only real example of this i see in the US is legal aid in criminal cases. Is this available for civil cases as well?
it is in Australia based on the merits of the case (there IS a limit to there resources so they wont take a case they have no hope of winning)
Its not just the governments though, its all areas of life that are interested in this. For interest the SA ambulance service give a survey as part of there recruitment process to ask things like sex, background ect to make sure there is no unintended bias in there recruitment process. Universities have procedures in place to make sure that everyone can go dependent on telent rather than sex or location ect
In part its antidiscrimination laws that force them to have these sort of procedures in place but not entirely. They also do it because its the ethical thing to do
Why do you think i have such a problem with the US? Its not that i hate you its that I'm baffled as to why you don't help each other, why there is no social cohesion.
For another example, i had Opera (stupid Opera, stupid day time TV) on while i was on the computer yesterday and they were talking about saving for your retirement and how you need to put money away for super even if your company doesn't do this automatically. In Australia we have MANDITORY super paid by companies above and beyond what your wages are (i think its 7% of whatever your yearly salary is). Now as well as making sure people have money in retirement this has had the added benefit of injecting a HUGE amount of money into the stock market (think how much money that is when you take 7% of the before tax salary of all the workers in the country and dump a good % of that into the stock market). Its actually one of the reasons that our country is doing so much better than the US, because as the economy expands, more people earn more, more money goes into stocks whether people chose to invest it or not. The government is now talking about using some of that money to invest in social housing so that not only are people making money on there super but there is more rental accommodation for the lower class.
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The probable reason that you have a problem with justice in this sense is that you grew up in America. The American policy rejecting socialism totally doesn't think to much about equity, only individual rights. The strange thing from MY point of view is what is the POINT of having individual rights to do something if there is every impediment stopping you doing it
For instance is it mandatory under the building code to have ramps and other devices installed to allow people in wheel chairs to gain access?
Are taxis and public transport forbidden from discriminating against people with guide dogs?
the governments of Australia, England. the sheep rooters, probably Canada work differently to the US.
For starters we are not afraid of government involvement, for example we even have a minister for sport. Do you? Actually since the health statistics on childhood obesity that ministry has picked up more importance.
We are also not afraid of socialism, we believe that its the government's responsibility to care for the people. The only real example of this i see in the US is legal aid in criminal cases. Is this available for civil cases as well?
it is in Australia based on the merits of the case (there IS a limit to there resources so they wont take a case they have no hope of winning)
Its not just the governments though, its all areas of life that are interested in this. For interest the SA ambulance service give a survey as part of there recruitment process to ask things like sex, background ect to make sure there is no unintended bias in there recruitment process. Universities have procedures in place to make sure that everyone can go dependent on telent rather than sex or location ect
In part its antidiscrimination laws that force them to have these sort of procedures in place but not entirely. They also do it because its the ethical thing to do
Why do you think i have such a problem with the US? Its not that i hate you its that I'm baffled as to why you don't help each other, why there is no social cohesion.
For another example, i had Opera (stupid Opera, stupid day time TV) on while i was on the computer yesterday and they were talking about saving for your retirement and how you need to put money away for super even if your company doesn't do this automatically. In Australia we have MANDITORY super paid by companies above and beyond what your wages are (i think its 7% of whatever your yearly salary is). Now as well as making sure people have money in retirement this has had the added benefit of injecting a HUGE amount of money into the stock market (think how much money that is when you take 7% of the before tax salary of all the workers in the country and dump a good % of that into the stock market). Its actually one of the reasons that our country is doing so much better than the US, because as the economy expands, more people earn more, more money goes into stocks whether people chose to invest it or not. The government is now talking about using some of that money to invest in social housing so that not only are people making money on there super but there is more rental accommodation for the lower class.
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You've got some interesting ideas there, but I've got to get up in six hours. So I'd get back to you. Perhaps we should start a new thread on Social Justice? We're pretty far afield from a guy leading his girlfriend around on a leash. Good night.