God Is Self-contradictory. Hence, God Doesn’t Exist.

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TruthSeeker: "How is that possible if He is everywhere?...".

His action is everywhere, not His being.

TruthSeeker: "...I agree with your sentences. But your question, well, does it make sense for an omnipresent being to be a man? For God to be a man, He would have to have the same attributes man have. But He is everywhere, therefore, He is not a man...".

Be carefull!
'He is not a man' can be very
insulting in certain cultures.

And yes, they are the same attributes
in quality but infinite in quantity.
Is that clear?


TruthSeeker: "...How's this relevant? Do rocks act?...".

That is obvious.
Rocks do act (fall, tumble, roll, crush, smash,...etc.).


TruthSeeker: "...How does Zeno's Paradox relates to infinity? What do you learn from Zeno?..."

It relates to mathematical infinity.
And it has led to the discovery of calculus.

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:D

TruthSeeker: "...Regardless. You cannot objectively
perceive the world...".

Yes, we can.
We can measure it, weigh it, analyze it, and so on...
 
AAF said:
TruthSeeker: "How is that possible if He is everywhere?...".

His action is everywhere, not His being.
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Well, theoretically, His being is everywhere. Why do you believe only His actions are everywhere?

TruthSeeker: "...I agree with your sentences. But your question, well, does it make sense for an omnipresent being to be a man? For God to be a man, He would have to have the same attributes man have. But He is everywhere, therefore, He is not a man...".

Be carefull!
'He is not a man' can be very
insulting in certain cultures.
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That's because they think of themselves so highly... :rolleyes:

And yes, they are the same attributes
in quality but infinite in quantity.
Is that clear?
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Prove.

TruthSeeker: "...How's this relevant? Do rocks act?...".

That is obvious.
Rocks do act (fall, tumble, roll, crush, smash,...etc.).
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I agree it can be perceive that way. Does that mean it has free will?
But why would God act anyways?

And how did we get into this again? :confused:

TruthSeeker: "...How does Zeno's Paradox relates to infinity? What do you learn from Zeno?..."

It relates to mathematical infinity.
And it has led to the discovery of calculus.
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Tricky question: did we create the concept of infinity to help us understand the universe or did we create the concept of finity to help us understand the universe? ;)
 
AAF said:
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TruthSeeker: "...Regardless. You cannot objectively
perceive the world...".

Yes, we can.
We can measure it, weigh it, analyze it, and so on...
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How much do you weight?
 
Your brain is playing tricks on you... :D

Searching for the truth is like navigating in a maze of mirrors. We call this maze the "brain". :cool:
 
:cool:

TruthSeeker: "Yes, but Relativity is not concerned with the existence of God. Is there anything in Relativity that concerns with the existence of God or any point raised in this discussion?...".

That is clear.
Relativity denies that time is absolute.
Therefore, Relativity denies that God is absolute.


TruthSeeker: "...What? I obviously don't believe time is absolute! I would suggest you read my post above. Let me show you...".

That is what I meant.
Denying absoluteness of time is one of your beliefs.


TruthSeeker: "...You brought up Einstein. It's not necessary for us to discuss Relativity here...".

Of course, it is not necessary here.
But on what basis, rather than Relativity, you're conviced time is not absolute?


TruthSeeker: "...Remember that I said time is not absolute. If time is not absolute and God needs an absolute time in order to "create Himself", where does that leave us? Do you really think He created Himself?".

Non-absoluteness of time leads to the destruction of the idea of 'one all-powerfull God. Can you see that?
If Einstein's theory is correct, then there must be one God for every frame of reference. In other words, the number of Deities, in this case, becomes infinite. Finally, can God create Himself? Ask the the theists!

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AAF said:
TruthSeeker: "Yes, but Relativity is not concerned with the existence of God. Is there anything in Relativity that concerns with the existence of God or any point raised in this discussion?...".

That is clear.
Relativity denies that time is absolute.
Therefore, Relativity denies that God is absolute.
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Time is not absolute for us. Doesn't mean it is not absolute for God. ;)

TruthSeeker: "...You brought up Einstein. It's not necessary for us to discuss Relativity here...".

Of course, it is not necessary here.
But on what basis, rather than Relativity, you're conviced time is not absolute?
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Logical analysis.


TruthSeeker: "...Remember that I said time is not absolute. If time is not absolute and God needs an absolute time in order to "create Himself", where does that leave us? Do you really think He created Himself?".

Non-absoluteness of time leads to the destruction of the idea of 'one all-powerfull God. Can you see that?
If Einstein's theory is correct, then there must be one God for every frame of reference. In other words, the number of Deities, in this case, becomes infinite.
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Every single infinitesimal point in the universe contains the very same God.
Ever heard of subatomic particles disapearing and appearing somewhere else? Ever heard of the same particle being in two places at the same time? That is God saying "hello". ;)

Finally, can God create Himself? Ask the the theists!
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Since time is a concept created by the mind (and thus relative to the observer), then the concept that God creates Himself or that He is created is irrelevant since the non-existance of an absolute time pressuposes the impossibility of a definite creation which in itself requires that there is an absolute time!

Gosh! I almost lost myself there! LOL! :D

Well, in order words... the act of creation requires an absolute time.
 
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TruthSeeker: "Well, theoretically, His being is everywhere. Why do you believe only His actions are everywhere?...".

That is because 'is everywhere' is far more contradictory
and absurd than 'does everywhere'.
Is that still hard to perceive?


TruthSeeker: "...That's because they think of themselves so highly...".

That is called 'high self-esteem'.


TruthSeeker: "...Prove...".

Do you know the proof, when you see it?


TruthSeeker: "...I agree it can be perceive that way. Does that mean it has free will? But why would God act anyways?...".

'Free will' is what God is all about.
And He must act at will, because, by supposition,
He is God.


TruthSeeker: "...And how did we get into this again?...".

Because you still refuse to accept that the 'action
of God' is the only important aspect of Him.
And that the 'being of God' is absolutely useless
in theological discussions of this sort.


TruthSeeker: "...Tricky question: did we create the concept of infinity to help us understand the universe or did we create the concept of finity to help us understand the universe?".

Why haven't we just discovered both by sheer luck and serendipity?

:D
 
AAF said:
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TruthSeeker: "Well, theoretically, His being is everywhere. Why do you believe only His actions are everywhere?...".

That is because 'is everywhere' is far more contradictory
and absurd than 'does everywhere'.
Is that still hard to perceive?
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What is contradictory about being everywhere? Space-time is everywhere. It's not impossible, is it?

Besides, how can He do something everywhere when He is not everywhere? Can you do something in China if you are not in China?


TruthSeeker: "...That's because they think of themselves so highly...".

That is called 'high self-esteem'.
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There's a huge difference between high self-esteem and arrogance. If you believe God thinks you are special, which one are ya? ;)

TruthSeeker: "...Prove...".

Do you know the proof, when you see it?
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Of course

TruthSeeker: "...I agree it can be perceive that way. Does that mean it has free will? But why would God act anyways?...".

'Free will' is what God is all about.
And He must act at will, because, by supposition,
He is God.
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If He knows the future, how can He have free will?

TruthSeeker: "...And how did we get into this again?...".

Because you still refuse to accept that the 'action
of God' is the only important aspect of Him.
And that the 'being of God' is absolutely useless
in theological discussions of this sort.
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I haven't been able to figure out how God acts, unfortunately. But I figured out who He is, and it's definetely not useless! :eek:

As a side note, according to you, the actions of God are relevant while rather He exists or not is completely irrelevant. So what do you do if He doesn't exist? That kind of thought doesn't make much sense, does it?


TruthSeeker: "...Tricky question: did we create the concept of infinity to help us understand the universe or did we create the concept of finity to help us understand the universe?".

Why haven't we just discovered both by sheer luck and serendipity?
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I don't think so...


So... I'm eager to hear... how does God act?
 
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God & Relativity​



Relativity rejects the absoluteness of time
and asserts relative simultaneity as fundamental.

Now, if this relative simultaneity relates only, as it
should be, to rates and durations of physical events,
then the theory of Relativity has nothing do whatsoever
with absolute time and God. Since things can go slower or
faster for countless number of reasons.

However, if those varying measurements of time, with motion
and gravity, mean the slowdown of time itself and the reduction
in the infinite rate of the moment flow, then Einstein's theory,
for sure, is in a big trouble both logically and theologically.

Logically, it makes no sense at all to talk about slowing down
the moments of time that flow at an infinite rate. The moment,
by the very definition, has zero duration, and is the same
everywhere.The slowdown of eternity, whose rate of flow is
always zero, does not make sense either.

In brief, time cannot be slowed down or speeded up,
because it is an absolute continuum by its very nature.

Theologically, the non-absoluteness of time
(relative simultaneity) destroys the basic idea of
the 'one powerful God', and creates, instead, an
infinite number of independent frames of reference, each
of which has its own absolute time and special God.

What a combinatorial explosion of Deities!
What a disaster for the theists everywhere!

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TruthSeeker said:
Your brain is playing tricks on you...Searching for the truth is like navigating in a maze of mirrors. We call this maze the "brain".
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Your brain cannot play tricks on you,
because you and your brain are one!

Therefore, the 'mazes of mirrors' that
you have seen are not the 'maze of your brain',
but the 'labyrinth of reality'.
 
Nobody is perfect,
Perfect is God only;
Therefore, God is Nobody.
Therefore, He does not exist.

There, simple. :D
 
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TruthSeeker: "Time is not absolute for us. Doesn't mean it is not absolute for God...".

We are the ones who must conclude
whether or not God exists.
And so the meaning of our time is up and running,
and the meaning of His time is down and dead,
in any debate for deciding this matter.


TruthSeeker: "...Every single infinitesimal point in the universe contains the very same God. Ever heard of subatomic particles disapearing and appearing somewhere else? Ever heard of the same particle being in two places at the same time? That is God saying "hello"...".

No, pal!
That is not God.
That is simply a false supposition.
And even if such an ad-hoc hypothesis were true,
it would be inaccessible and useless.

:cool:
 
Hapsburg said:
Nobody is perfect,
Perfect is God only;
Therefore, God is Nobody.
Therefore, He does not exist.
There, simple.
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:D

Everybody perfect is an ideal.
God is perfect.
Therefore, God is an ideal.

;)
 
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TruthSeeker: "...Logical analysis...".

You wrote earlier to explain your view of time:

'When is time the same everywhere? Take for instance new years eve. It's 2:00pm in north america, but in china, they already had all the commemorations and they are now sleeping. Which time is the "right" one?
Now, take two people side by side. One of them is 2 weeks old. The other is 99 years old. What is time?'

If the above is the logical analysis that has led you to conclude 'time is not absolute', then you've made an obvious mistake.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, inconsistent with the notion of 'absolute time' in clocks giving different readings at different locations on Planet Earth.
For those clocks are synchronized only with the position angle of the sun at a particular geographical location during a 24-hour cycle.
And no way, this synchronization for civil purposes implies that this moment of time at your location is not the same everywhere on Earth.

As for '...One of them is 2 weeks old. The other is 99 years old...',
both numbers denote durations and time periods, and have nothing to do with simultaneity and absoluteness of time.

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AAF said:
Theologically, the non-absoluteness of time
(relative simultaneity) destroys the basic idea of
the 'one powerful God', and creates, instead, an
infinite number of independent frames of reference, each
of which has its own absolute time and special God.

What a combinatorial explosion of Deities!
What a disaster for the theists everywhere!
Click to expand...
It's the same "deity". :eek:
 
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