scott3x said:
Sigh. Prove that my "moment with a hooker was, without a doubt, a moment of lame and doubly so because it was your first time."
Its nice that you find shelter in chanting "prove it" like some kind of mantra.
Call it whatever you like. The point is you can't prove your assertion.
Since you admit "majorities have found it to be immoral" and I've already pointed to:
Turpitude in its ordinary sense involves the idea of inherent baseness or vileness...
Personally, I think these types of arguments are best suited to a religious type of forum, not a scientific one.
It has been held that the following offenses are crimes involving moral turpitude:
Yes, yes, by 'moral majorities'. These aren't scientific arguments, they're arguments for the herd. Go graze amoung them and leave me in peace.
Even in the few places where prostitution is legal, it is not looked upon with respect.
Even in places where prostitution is illegal, some people look upon it with respect. Your argument doesn't say much, other then that people believe different things.
In fact the only prostitutes I can think of that command any respect in their society are the geisha and even that is starting to fade.
I'm not saying that I would ever want one of my children to be a prostitute. While it's not always true, I'd say that most prostitutes are generally from the lower class. What I -am- saying is that I respect the profession, just as I respect the people who work at fast food restaurants and other low paying jobs; these are the people who are most likely to turn to prostitution as, in comparison, the wages are better. There are, ofcourse, more risks involved and ofcourse there is the flock going on about moral torpitudes.
But of course you are a special exception to this. There is no need for you to think for a moment that you were as lame as any other john. No, no so obvious is the nobleness of your transaction that I must be blind to think it was lame.
God you made me laugh there
. My action certainly wasn't a rare occurence. The difference between me and most, however, is that I don't settle for the 'normal' explanation that it should be a 'moment of shame'. I wanted something (sex) and when given an opportunity to obtain it in a way I felt was adequate, I did so. Do I think that, under better circumstances, it would have been better to have had a girlfriend to do it with? Sure. But circumstances weren't better and I had grown tired of waiting for Ms. Right.
swarm said:
scott3x said:
I believe it's beyond overkill and actually makes the situation worse then it could be. From what I've heard, where prostitution is legal in the U.S., sex workers have much more of an ability to protect themselves then in places where this isn't the case.
The Germans and Dutch do a much better job with it, but even they don't think its an ennobling experience which shows outstanding moral fiber.
Now I'm laughing again
. I've never argued that it was.
Amsterdam is in the process of cleaning up their red light districts because they feel the corruption is starting to get out of hand.
How are they 'cleaning' them up?
swarm said:
scott3x said:
No, only that I'm saying that I am...
If you wish to believe you are inherently lame because of a youthful mistake that is certainly your call.
A nice twist of words, laugh
. I said nothing of the sort and you know it.
Personally I'm of the opinion that such things are just part of growing up. Some mistakes you have to make for yourself. They are failings only if you don't learn from them.
Only I don't think it was a failing. This is the sum of our disagreement.
swarm said:
scott3x said:
Ah yes, 'without a doubt'
Yes, definitely and without a doubt using prostitutes is lame.
Fine, go ahead and preach. There's clearly no stopping you
swarm said:
scott3x said:
swarm said:
Buying lots of hookers, yes that would make you a total loser.
Charlie Sheen doesn't strike me as a total loser although it seems he has decided that the frequent hooker hookups weren't such a good idea.
I'm glad Charlie is finally wising up a bit. You do know actors aren't noted generally for their high moral standards? You do realize Charlie is not respected for his prostitute use.
Who said I respected him for his continual use of prostitutes? I respect him for his belief that WTC 7 was taken down by controlled demolition, which is something else altogether. My argument was simply that, unlike your assertion, I don't believe he is a 'total loser' just because he purchases the services of 'lots of hookers'.