You just don't seem to get the point. Fine. Let's start over. You said:
camphlps said:
Note: The Christmas tree for example is a Celtic tradition.
which is false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
How would you have dealt with that statement had I not provided a reference? Tell yourself "He refutes me! There must be something to what he says, therefore I'll spend a substantial amount of time wading through dozens of miscellaneous websites looking for some scrap of evidence to support his claim." Bull.
camphlps said:
Halcyon, learn what i said then speak. I clearly stated that (in the last line of my previous post) that this goes off topic. By what i mean is I was refering to certain athiest who constantly want to disprove God and demand me to prove God exists. A lot different here.
So you brought up something that you didn't want discussed in this thread. Why'd you bring it up? You actually said:
Especially Atheist, for i have no obligation to prove what "I" believe.
It is clear what you are saying, and that you are applying the statement to this situation, and throwing that "especially atheist," part doesn't change that.
As for the other evidence. Has it never accured to you that not all information is passed by written web pages.
I would have liked to have asked you that question first. I never asked for you to provide a web page, I asked you to provide references, period, some of which could of course been web sites, but the request was for references, in any form.
You can go to a Library or even listen to a historian. I pointed out one page, because the information is there and to show that unless you stopped at link 4 and didnt try link 5 then there is websites that support this.
You pointed out one page which made unsubstantiated claims. They could be true, but since they were unsupported they are not offered any credence. This is the part where you would have done good to have payed attention to what I have been saying. I did several searches, waded through countless banal and unproductive sites looking for evidence to support your claims and did not find any. I went through my own encyclopedias and history tomes and did not find any. That's when I spoke up about your lack of supporting evidence. Then you posted a search link to only one of the topics you wrote about which had been called into question, and I wasted god knows how much time wading through wiccan bullshit nonsense to find that there was no other supporting evidence for your one claim other than that one reference-less page you cut and pasted a quote from. Nothing. That was it. And your claims that there could be other forms of reference material on the subject are now being called into question because of your inability to provide any of them. You've got nothing. As far as that listen to a historian one-liner, you'd be hard pressed to find someone in the field to support a lot of that. You might do good to listen to your own advice.
As far as what is likely and what isnt is regards to convincing people with evidence. It is less likely to believe if I prove it to them, than if they saw it for themselves on their own.
*sigh* What happens is, you just tell them something like you just did, and they're not going to believe you, like we all just did. Now, you give a reference so everyone can see for themselves, then they'll be more likely to believe you. It's funny that you say this in an attempt support your stand, when it's going directly against what you've been doing.
Even then, I gave you what you ask for.
No, you didn't. We asked for references. You didn't provide a reference, just the site that you cut and pasted that quote from, which is, sorry to say, unsubstantiated. There was nothing on that site in relation to the topic that you didn't already post, so it didn't offer you any support. So in essence you didn't provide anything.
Wether it is or is not what you expected is irrelavent.
No one brought up anything regarding the site being what I did or did not expect. Try to stay focused on what we're actually talking about.
I told you what I learned, gave a *little* amount of info, hoping you might go look on it yourself,
I did, and found that you are most likely a victim of the same misinformation processes that others in this thread fell to by giving credence to the whole Mithra-was-crucified lie.
Without actually having done anything to defend your stand.
You can keep this up, but you would only be arguing with yourself.
You're most likely right. I'm certainly not arguing with you; you can't argue with a brick wall. To properly participate in the kind of discussion this site endorses, both sides need to be willing and receptive, which I've tried to show that I am by offering you many instances to prove yourself, and even spending a bit more of my time than I should have giving you the benefit of the doubt and looking for this mythological information you keep talking about which doesn't seem to be there. You have not been a pleasant dance partner, to say the least.
This has been way too unpoductive.
Evidence is before you, all you have to do is choose.
No, it's not. Your unsupported claims are before me.
I cant do anything more here...
Sure you could. You could provide us with some references.
