Forced Faith? Forced Atheism? The Test!

[EmptyForceOfChi]

are you sure you haven't been talking nonsense?

Ok then talk about my test and my experiment if not get out of my thread then, there is that how you want me to act? or do you want me to answer what you ask me and debate in a civil manner?

I could happily tell you to stay on point or get lost but i havent have i.

So we can continue our train of thought about creating new things or we can go back to the actual test and you can tell me your results.

 

[birch]

Chopping down bits of trees and building a home? you mean how a bird takes twigs and sticks and builds a nest? yep stolen from nature.



Present me something thats not stolen from nature. and im not saying i have anything thats not stolen from nature thats my whole point, everything you have is stolen from nature or borrowed from the already existing universe you cant create anything no matter what you think you can create you cant create.

it's clear to anyone sane that you are being evasive though you are pinning it on me.

the only reason you are asking for these strenuously unrealistic so-called 'novel' creations is to diminish the knowledge or understanding in other works or texts besides your favored 'QURAN'. by taking the focus off of that, you are hoping that your standards will not be used to measure that book.

i know the game your playing so don't try it on me. so i ask you, what is so original about the quran that is also not inspired in some way by life??

what devious and dishonest minds fundamentalists have.

i think now that it is true that fundamentalists and that religion is mostly of very corrupt people. you have to be to be this way.

 

[birch]

Ok then talk about my test and my experiment if not get out of my thread then, there is that how you want me to act? or do you want me to answer what you ask me and debate in a civil manner?

I could happily tell you to stay on point or get lost but i havent have i.

So we can continue our train of thought about creating new things or we can go back to the actual test and you can tell me your results.

you know one day, they really should round up fundamentalists and put them in the looney bin.

how dare you walk around with the priviledge of the label 'normal' when there are people who are more sane labeled with some disorder by the psychiatric community.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

you know one day, they really should round up fundamentalists and put them in the looney bin.

how dare you walk around with the priviledge of the label 'normal' when there are people who are more sane labeled with some disorder by the psychiatric community.

Well sorry to dissapoint you but that's not going to happen, You atheists are the minority why dont you go build atheist island and you can all worship your false idols of money greed and sexual sluttyness together.


Atheist island where anything is your god. sound good?


Go create it your free to cut yourself off from the rest of the religious world you know. you dont have to live in a christian country or a islamic country go make your own country then and you can raise little atheist babies who all believe life ends at death and you can all sing songs about how sexy some slut is.


Jajaja

 

[YoYoPapaya]

A new study has found that political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, CNN reports.


Satoshi Kanazawa is an evolutionary psychologist at the the London School of Economics and Political Science; he has done a study correlating data on these behaviors with IQ.

Drawing from a large national U.S. sample, his findings showed that on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs.

(Not really a surprise, is it? Critical thinking tends to go with high IQ: One sees through traditional arguments. However, high IQ now seems to be prone to seeing through political correctness policy generated by the left!)

This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women: Again, this may point to going against the traditional wisdom, which would go in opposite directions for the respective genders.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/high-iq-linked-political-and-sexual-behavior-study-shows

 

[audible]

I used to think Faith was a choice and since I have become a Believer I have kind of found out there is a little more to it. I guess I want to bring Atheists and Theists together in a general understanding, As I have been part of both groups.

I very much doubt that, the only way an atheist becomes a believer is through a serious trauma in there lives, if you insist you were an atheist, then what was the trauma.

maybe you guys can understand each other a little better after doing this test.

The test is impossible for an atheist, but for a theist it is extremely easy, they only have to start thinking rationally.

Respecting]That each of us isn't really in control of that faith or lack of faith. and that we can't actually change it even if we tried.

There isn't any faith for an atheist it isn't a believe, but I agree it is impossible to change without a serious trauma. but as I said it is extremely easy for the theist.

Oh by the way I'm not an atheist, I'm a humanist, I do not accept the negative label thrust on me by theism. Atheist is not something I am, it is something I am from a theist perspective, it say nothing about what I am, only what I am not.

 

[gmilam]

Credit to Birch for this thread as he was the inspiration.

Ok here is the test, Both for Theists and Atheists This is a live Experiment and please post your results.


Firstly if you are a believer in god I want you to try your very hardest to "stop Believing" in god. This is a serious test not a joke. Try as hard as you can and try to force yourself to become an atheist.

If you are an Atheist The same applies in reverse Try your very best to try and force yourself to believe In god. Try to force theism upon yourself.


I am interested to see if any of you can achieve this. I have already tried and Failed terribly at making myself an atheist.

If your an agnotis piss off lol you dont get to play here with yourlogical little fence sitting minds shoo and stop being so PC you little rascals.


Ready set Go!

We may actually be in agreement on this one. I don't think people can "choose" what to believe. Personally, I try to avoid beliefs. I either know or don't know. (Or, at least, "believe" I know. )

 

[Jan Ardena]

Will you stop trolling my posts and threads what's wrong with you??.

You have some wierd defect don't you has god sent you to annoy me? how do you have the drive to pursue so diligently with your crusade to rid the world of anyone who believes in god.

Please stop whatever your trying to do.

psst!! he works for the illuminati, his job is to sabotage.

jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

EmptyForceOfChi,

Firstly if you are a believer in god I want you to try your very hardest to "stop Believing" in god. This is a serious test not a joke. Try as hard as you can and try to force yourself to become an atheist.

I don't think it's possible.
At least I know I can't do it.

The idea that belief is based on say so, or environment
is seriously challenged here.

jan.

 

[NMSquirrel]

chi..it is good to have you back..

the OP question is not fair,

to me it would be much easier for a believer to fake non-belief than it is for a non-believer to fake belief.

i want to elaborate on this but whatever i put has its exceptions..
believers have a better motivation?
believers tend to be seekers of wisdom?

 

[Dywyddyr]

The idea that belief is based on say so, or environment is seriously challenged here.

It would be. If that was ever the claim.

 

[Jan Ardena]

It would be. If that was ever the claim.

your point?

jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

We may actually be in agreement on this one. I don't think people can "choose" what to believe. Personally, I try to avoid beliefs. I either know or don't know. (Or, at least, "believe" I know. )

How is it possible to ''avoid beliefs''?

jan.

 

[Dywyddyr]

your point?
jan.

That you're erecting a strawman.
There's nothing being "seriously challenged" since there never was the "idea that belief is based on say so".

 

[gmilam]

believers tend to be seekers of wisdom?

By seeking those with knowledge?

 

[birch]

believers have a better motivation?
believers tend to be seekers of wisdom?

it's strange how theists consistently are the ones who are the least wise.

this is rather backwards.

belief implies a closed system which is why 'believers' resort to 'belief' rather than seeking wisdom.

also, faking belief is not the same as really believing. it would be just as easy for a non-believer to fake a belief if they had to.

the op is not asking to fake anything. it's asking if you can convince yourself which is actually rather stupid and not as enlightening as he thinks.

it's not much different than asking someone if they dislike chocolate flavored ice cream to convince themselves they do. well, they don't so it's a moot point. either they would be faking it or they are lying to themselves either way.

this thread doesn't even need to exist to know this which is why atheists and theists exist.

 

[NMSquirrel]

By seeking those with knowledge?

there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom..
knowledge has proof, wisdom has testimonies..
when it comes to God, those two often get confused,

(ideally)
atheist chase after knowledge and dismiss wisdom as unproven,
theist chase after wisdom as it were proof of God,
maybe this is why atheist dismiss wisdom, because of its association with God :shrug:

atheist would rather contemplate the known,
theist the unknown,

 

[birch]

maybe this is why atheist dismiss wisdom, because of its association with God

how utterly ridiculous. there is a lot of wisdom which has no reference to god.

theist chase after wisdom as it were proof of God,

that's not chasing wisdom, that's already attributing everything to the concept of god.

atheist would rather contemplate the known,
theist the unknown,

this is also incorrect which is why there are so many hypothesis and theories even in the scientific community. a current one is a multiverse hypothesis.

that said, there are people who are more narrow among theists and atheists.

 

[gmilam]

there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom..
knowledge has proof, wisdom has testimonies..
when it comes to God, those two often get confused,

(ideally)
atheist chase after knowledge and dismiss wisdom as unproven,
theist chase after wisdom as it were proof of God,
maybe this is why atheist dismiss wisdom, because of its association with God :shrug:

atheist would rather contemplate the known,
theist the unknown,

I would disagree. I think wisdom is totally separate from knowledge or belief. Wisdom is the application of experience.

 

[NMSquirrel]

I would disagree. I think wisdom is totally separate from knowledge or belief. Wisdom is the application of experience.

thats what i was saying, wisdom and knowledge are different, separate..

and birch..don't read too much into that..i think i was in a 'mode' when i wrote that..more poetic than anything..